Comments Thread For: Daniel Jacobs Clarifies Role of Al Haymon in Eddie Hearn Union

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Listen i totally get what your saying but if Espn and top rank agreed to a 4 year deal with 18 cards in the first year alone without doing a single time buy they must have done something right that Pbc couldnt do after spending hundreds of millions.

First of all, you have no idea what PBC spent. It is an internet myth that they spent "hundreds of millions."

ESPN & Top Rank are launching a digital subscription service together and working as partners. It's a different model than what Haymon is going for. Haymon is trying to maximize television licensing fees. ESPN is cutting programming costs. The deal Top Rank worked out does not involve the large licensing fees Haymon is seeking. It involves ESPN using airtime to promote a boxing subscription service that Top Rank would profit from.

Haymon did not have a large enough library to partner with ESPN on such a venture, nor does he seem interested in that kind of arrangement. He's trying to get a big money TV deal ala UFC. He's proven PBC can do similar ratings. Now he just has to wait for UFC's TV situation to be worked out as nobody is going to pony up big bucks for PBC until they know what's happening with UFC first.

[BluDivision]

It's Simple....
Bob Arum took all the Top Rank fighters to ESPN!!! HBO needs fighters! Bob & Al have all the guys! No Bob then work with Haymon!!!

[BluDivision]

PBC & FS1 is the next big deal announcement.....

[Scipio2009]

frampton and Jacobs are just the first dominos to fall as pbc continues to meet its demise.

Haymon should trim the roster asap. Keep his core 50 or so guys on showtime and cut bait with the rest. Most of his stable isn't happy with lack of activity. Hearn said he had 12 more fighters contact him once the jacobs deal was announced.

With Jacobs already having a manager and now a promoter and an exclusive network deal Haymon doesn't have almost any control with Jacobs anymore. Surely other fighters see this so he needs to make a move soon

lol. Carl Frampton left Barry McGuigan to now fight for Frank Warren; when he fights again in the US, he'll still be fighting on Showtime (with BoxNation carrying the fight in the UK, instead of ITV or something).

Even in the Jacob's deal, to hear him tell it, Haymon brought Hearn to the friggin' table when that was the decision made by the camp.

Beyond that, where are you even getting this story about "most of the stable is unhappy" to begin with? Vanes was the only person to go crying to the press, and that was after he'd come up short in like the third world title shot that Haymon was able to deliver for him.

Yordenis Ugas has had 5 fights over the last 12 months, simply because he keeps ready to fight and will take solid money to fight.

Big fights and fights for big money don't just happen, especially in a world where the fighters are actually kept in the loop of things.

Not every fighter can simply go, get a guaranteed deal from a broadcaster, and still be in position for a chance at a big PPV fight that said broadcaster would openly push for.

[Scipio2009]

Every time Haymon is mentioned we have people hating the guy. The fighters love him, he must be doing something right.

I just don't understand boxing fans. They hate promoters/TV that rob the fighters, then they hate the guy that gets the fighters more.

The catch is that "boxing fans" here don't actually hate promoters/TV that rob the fighters; if certain fans could get a Gatti-Ward style battle, they couldn't give two ****s if the fighters actually saw any money.

Fighters are simply around to satiate blood lust; to these "boxing fans", there are no families, training camp doesn't matter, and the fighters have no other interests in life beyond punching/getting punched.

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The catch is that "boxing fans" here don't actually hate promoters/TV that rob the fighters; if certain fans could get a Gatti-Ward style battle, they couldn't give two ****s if the fighters actually saw any money.

That's why Don King was so great for fans. You could have 8 world championship fights, with THIRTEEN WORLD TITLES AT STAKE, on the same show!!! It was insane. Were the fighters being ripped off? Of course. But this is why sport is the only business where a monopoly is good for the consumer. Without a monopoly, you can't guarantee the best in the world getting to compete against each other.

Fighters are simply around to satiate blood lust; to these "boxing fans", there are no families, training camp doesn't matter, and the fighters have no other interests in life beyond punching/getting punched.

That is the transaction though. This is entertainment. Fighters fight so people will spend money to be entertained. The transaction ends there. If you want the fans to care about the fighter, if we're really going to care about the fighter, we should accept that nobody should be fighting and just shut the whole thing down. People should not be punching each other in the head.

[Scipio2009]

Listen i totally get what your saying but if Espn and top rank agreed to a 4 year deal with 18 cards in the first year alone without doing a single time buy they must have done something right that Pbc couldnt do after spending hundreds of millions. I guarantee Pbc would have jumped at an opportunity like that, instead they are holding their breath hoping fox sports1 will give them a deal. But my question is why would they? He has a long history of backstabbing with his fighters having mismatches on one network just to let them fight a big fight on another, thats why hbo cut ties with him. Now hes putting his good fights on Showtime and expects Fs1 to trust him to deliver good fights, we'll see what happens I guess, this should be interesting

ESPN, if I read Rafael's article correctly, basically picked up a 360 deal with Top Rank (ESPN is the only broadcast partner for Top Rank in US/Canada/Mexico, ESPN takes over the digital platform for Top Rank, ESPN distributes any PPV that Top Rank could have, ESPN also gets the rights to show fights from the video vaults of Top Rank Boxing [likely excluding and fights that HBO has rights to]) for not all that much money (Arum will pay himself before anything, but the fact that Pacquiao fighting in the US seems to no longer be an option and the modest disclosed payouts so far seem to indicate that the deal wasn't all that big).

18 cards per year, for 4 years, in a deal where ESPN gets a piece of everything, for not an astronomical amount of money, doesn't seem like a "jump over yourself" type of deal to me.

Fox/FS1 is a drastically different situation, for both parties, in the sense that any deal will likely be built on the amount of live and first-run content that could be delivered to FS1. If a deal ends up being something like 30 FS1 cards and 4-5 cards for FOX, there's more than enough talent under Haymon's umbrella to fill things out for Showtime and still deliver top matchups for the FOX dates.

No different than the current UFC/FOX deal; for $100m per year, FOX got 4 fight cards on FOX, maybe 15 fight cards for FS1, two seasons of TUF for FS1, and a lot of shoulder programming for FS1 (weigh-in show, pre-fight/post-fight commentary, promo material, content from the UFC library, etc) with the UFC keeping the entire 12 PPVs pie to themselves (even in the current down year, you're probably talking about at least another $100m once you've paid the cable/satellite companies).

[Scipio2009]

Jacob's main competitors (GGG, Canelo) are fighting on HBO, so it makes sense for Jacobs to be on HBO.

The real question is where does this leave Charlo at?

He will be the only middlweight contender signed with Showtime so what happens to him now?

Well he does have that mandatory shot so something will have to give but it seems like it could coz him some problems either way.

Jermall Charlo is still the WBC's mandatory challenger at 160lbs, and he's got more than enough muscle behind him that he'll get his shot, whether Golovkin and his camp pay up to bring him over (similar to how Jacobs got his shot) or he simply has Golovkin stripped (which would then trigger a similar dance with Derevyanchenko for the IBF belt).

If Charlo gets the Golovkin fight and beats him, the world becomes his oyster, he likely heads back to Showtime, and 'Bernard Hopkins' his way to stardom (take the belts home, fight out of Houston against whatever challengers emerge, and build on the Toyota Center as his home arena).

[Scipio2009]

That's why Don King was so great for fans. You could have 8 world championship fights, with THIRTEEN WORLD TITLES AT STAKE, on the same show!!! It was insane. Were the fighters being ripped off? Of course. But this is why sport is the only business where a monopoly is good for the consumer. Without a monopoly, you can't guarantee the best in the world getting to compete against each other.




That is the transaction though. This is entertainment. Fighters fight so people will spend money to be entertained. The transaction ends there. If you want the fans to care about the fighter, if we're really going to care about the fighter, we should accept that nobody should be fighting and just shut the whole thing down. People should not be punching each other in the head.

I don't think that things are that clearly laid out.

Joshua-Klitschko was a hell of a fight, but it took some doing to get completely finalized and put together. Thurman-Porter was a great fight, and that took time too.

Fighters will go in the ring and lay everything on the line, but the fan expectation of seeing a fighter do that every 2 months needs to go away.

[OmarRueben]

Slimy skinny Al Haymon is a conniving boxing pimp nothing more

Slimy Al Haymon is a modern day slave master dealing with boxers as Slimy Al's personal ******. Haymon is just a plantation owner with boxers as haymon's field ****** working for peanuts as Haymon gets richer. Lashes and whippings are the norm on Haymons plantation.