Comments Thread For: Daniel Jacobs Clarifies Role of Al Haymon in Eddie Hearn Union

[BigStomps]

This fool jumped ship cause he wants the Canelo pay day.
Well get in line boy and wait your turn!

[BigStomps]

Cant you guys see whats going on here? Pbc has failed utterly and has been quickly winding down. It was a flawed business model to begin with doing time buys on different networks and 4/5 of them showcase fights.
The same guys saying Haymon is a genius for this were the same ones saying he was a genius for Pbc. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out 9/10 of his fighters have only been fighting once a year, and not one network besides showtime is interested in Pbc. If hes a mastermind then im a pro bowl Nfl quarterback.
Haymon squandered such a good opportunity, Bob Arum is the real genius and keeps showing everyone how its really done.

Exactly! All these fools here swinging off Al Haymon's nutts like George of the jungle. He was a fool that blew all that money on the PBC series. PBC is gonna RIP soon. Slowly but surely he's taking all his fighters back to premium cable.
Top Rank and Bob arum are the real genius. They succeeded where Al Haymon couldn't.

[Scipio2009]

It' really a case of parties (Haymon/HBO) having no choice but to work together considering the lack of fighters on one side and the other needing more dates for his fighters on the other.

We should expect other Haymon fighters fighting on HBO sometime soon.

Or, in actuality, it's a case of Billy Joe Saunders not really wanting to fight Daniel Jacobs, the other three belts being on the other side (with Jacobs not being mandatory for any of the belts), the biggest draw at the weight being on the other side, and Jacobs and his camp making a decision that should help Daniel Jacobs (namely HBO now having a significant reason to convince Golovkin, and even Saunders, to fight Jacobs).

You can't point to a single other fighter where a move to HBO will help them in the way that this move by Jacobs has helped him.

[Scipio2009]

Haymon is a smart guy.. He knows he has way too many fighters for Showtime to show them all more than once or twice a year.. So he's teamed up with the best promoter and is letting some of his stable of fighters go on HBO.. So now he has his fighters in Showtime aswel as HBO! Brilliant move for boxing.

This move involved one fighter, crossing over to hopefully have a better chance of getting the big fights that he wants (Jacobs is all of 29, and being an HBO fighter would seem to give him a better chance at fighting Golovkin again or Alvarez, two other HBO fighters.

[jjsmyth87]

I agree Fox/FS1 seems to be the next big PBC deal. Will probably be bigger than the HBO entire budget lol

The next big pbc deal? Try the only pbc deal,in 2 and a half years pbc hasnt been picked up by a single network and if he were close to signing a deal like that I doubt he would let one of his top guys sign with Hbo. If he does I give him props but even if he does get Fox to sign on, Pbc would still be considered a failure. Bob arum got a deal with Espn and didnt do a single time buy. But you guys still consider Haymon a mastermind and think bad of Arum when in fact the opposite is the truth

[Butch.McRae]

Exactly! All these fools here swinging off Al Haymon's nutts like George of the jungle. He was a fool that blew all that money on the PBC series. PBC is gonna RIP soon. Slowly but surely he's taking all his fighters back to premium cable.
Top Rank and Bob arum are the real genius. They succeeded where Al Haymon couldn't.

Im convinced you just play silly on the net lol but check out a few articles (because I think you're actually a boxing fan):

"WME-IMG Seeks TV Knockout as UFC Rights talks Begin"

"Showtime interested in UFC Broadcast deal when FOX contracts is up"

"PBC plots path to maximize rights, distribution"

Top Rank and ESPN made that deal as a defensive move for what's coming.

Basically the UFC will determine where PBC ends up (if you pay attention to the details).

FOX, HBO, and CBS -- Showtime
are all lobbying for the UFC behind the scenes.

Once the dust settles, PBC will be scooped up by one of them. It's a no brainer from a content standpoint.

Recall, WME-IMG was looking yo buy the boxing library from Top Rank. Entertainment executives see boxing can be packaged. The model has been validated.

[Scipio2009]

Haymon loyal to Stephen espinoza and showtime doe! That's why Stevenson can't fight Kovalev on HBO doe! That's why JoJo diaz needs to fight Gary Russell on Showtime doe!

Showtime offered more money for Stevenson-Kovalev than HBO was willing to put up, and there's been no hint that HBO is even willing to put money behind JoJo Diaz at this point either. Try not being an idiot for once.

Jacobs and his camp made the decision to bring Eddie Hearn on as his promoter, Hearn joined the camp and was able to secure a deal with HBO that Jacobs was cool with (no mention of the money involved, but it should be fair to assume that it wasn't cheap; should get a better hint when the first HBO fight happens), and the rest is the rest.

[jjsmyth87]

Im convinced you just play silly on the net lol but check out a few articles (because I think you're actually a boxing fan):

"WME-IMG Seeks TV Knockout as UFC Rights talks Begin"

"Showtime interested in UFC Broadcast deal when FOX contracts is up"

"PBC plots path to maximize rights, distribution"

Top Rank and ESPN made that deal as a defensive move for what's coming.

Basically the UFC will determine where PBC ends up (if you pay attention to the details).

FOX, HBO, and CBS -- Showtime
are all lobbying for the UFC behind the scenes.

Once the dust settles, PBC will be scooped up by one of them. It's a no brainer from a content standpoint.

Recall, WME-IMG was looking yo buy the boxing library from Top Rank. Entertainment executives see boxing can be packaged. The model has been validated.

Man you are really reaching with all this. Remember awhile back when Abc and Espn announced they had partnered and were going to do a bunch of fights? They started out doing some espn and espn 2 fights and it became less and less until they stopped doing them altogether and no fights ended up on Abc at all. (See is Pbc still on Espn?) if pbc was such a great model Espn would have picked it up way back then. If Haymons model has been validated any network would have picked it up by now like top ranks package deal with Espn but the fact is Abc/espn Nbc have already turned their backs and they are still desperate to get either fox or Cbs to sign on. If they do get a t.v. deal it will be because of the groundwork that Top Rank has laid with the Espn deal and their model of putting on good fights. Haymon cant be trusted to put on good fights consistently and thats what the problem is which was even said in the article you quoted "pbc plots path to maximize rights, distribution" and richard shaefer was quoted in that same article saying theyre hoping at least one network will pick them up so its not a matter of when its a matter of if

[Scipio2009]

The next big pbc deal? Try the only pbc deal,in 2 and a half years pbc hasnt been picked up by a single network and if he were close to signing a deal like that I doubt he would let one of his top guys sign with Hbo. If he does I give him props but even if he does get Fox to sign on, Pbc would still be considered a failure. Bob arum got a deal with Espn and didnt do a single time buy. But you guys still consider Haymon a mastermind and think bad of Arum when in fact the opposite is the truth

Were you under the impression that PBC would continue to be presented across 5 different channels? lol

PBC has nearly three years of data points to work with, across the entire week, afternoons, evenings, cable, and free TV (with advertiser numbers to go with that).

The UFC got $100m per year from Fox/FS1 (with the UFC keeping their PPVs to themselves); with Fox/FS1 clearly happy with PBC (FS1 getting first-run content can't hurt), 30 FS1/4-5 FOX cards should be comfortably had for a nice chunk of coin.

ESPN got their taste with PBC, saw that boxing would work on their platform, and basically signed Top Rank to a 360 deal (with Top Rank ending basically all of its other content deals, and even their library passing through ESPN). With the payouts that have been made public, it's pretty clear that the deal wasn't had for a king's ransom either.

Some mastermind, lol.

[Butch.McRae]

Man you are really reaching with all this. Remember awhile back when Abc and Espn announced they had partnered and were going to do a bunch of fights? They started out doing some espn and espn 2 fights and it became less and less until they stopped doing them altogether and no fights ended up on Abc at all. (See is Pbc still on Espn?) if pbc was such a great model Espn would have picked it up way back then. If Haymons model has been validated any network would have picked it up by now like top ranks package deal with Espn but the fact is Abc/espn Nbc have already turned their backs and they are still desperate to get either fox or Cbs to sign on. If they do get a t.v. deal it will be because of the groundwork that Top Rank has laid with the Espn deal and their model of putting on good fights. Haymon cant be trusted to put on good fights consistently and thats what the problem is which was even said in the article you quoted "pbc plots path to maximize rights, distribution" and richard shaefer was quoted in that same article saying theyre hoping at least one network will pick them up so its not a matter of when its a matter of if

Listen dude, you have to pay attention to what the data tells you. What I'm saying isn't rocket science.

Look at the numbers networks are floating for the UFC? They're talking $400 million annually. Boxing probably performs on average 15 - 20% lower than the UFC on a per event basis.m despite matchups. It's not hard to see that somebody will pay for it.

The Top Rank deal was a scramble by Arum because he saw what was coming. Why do you think his tone changed so fast? After WME-IMG came shopping, he saw the light.