Hopkins beat Taylor Both Times! Do you agree ?

[CarminePersico]

The 1st Fight I Was Amazed How Hopkins Through The Straight Right Hands

[IwatchBoxing]

Who are you guys trying to fool? Between both fights Hopkins probaly won 4 to 6 rounds only. Everyone who saw it knows he lost, there is no way he won.

[AintGottaClue]

its already a proven fact the hopkins won the first fight, i had him winning the second as well

[King Koyle]

First fight-I gave this to Taylor.Hopkins did nothing at all for the first seven or eight rounds.No way I can fairly score the fight for him.Im not a advocate of the "champion rule".

Second fight-I gave this to Hopkins.He did a little more than Taylor.I gave it to B-hop by two rounds.

-So in my eyes,Hopkins lost and regained the MW championship.

[SUPER ZAB FAN]

IT has always been my opinion that To beat a Champion you have to take the belt from him . In the Championship rounds ( Rounds 8-12) Taylor was dead and almost out on his feet a few times .

I believed Hopkins won the first fight .

[CarminePersico]

hopkins did less in the first fight in my eyes but he still won both fights ...that right hand was deadly ... he ****ed taylor's face up worst in the 2nd fight though

[ROSEWOOD]

hopkins had taylor badly hurt 3 times in the fight...

10th round

11th round

12 round... and i mean badly hurt, taylor was on the verge of being knocked out 3 times in the fight

hopkins won both of those fights ,

the 2nd fight was a lil closer, but again taylor was on the verge of being knocked out... and his face was on swole ... taylor won ? bull****

nope....rounds 10, 11, 12 are too late to put up a fight....taylor fought early and won both figt in the process...

[dino]

i didnt see the 2nd fight..but anybody who say hopkins won the first fight is ignorant..he didnt do **** the first 8 9 rounds..lost every round

[Ze Roberto]

hopkins schooled jermain at times with the lead rights, but ultimately you cannot really make much of a case for him winning either fight (though they were both close). hopkins from the trinidad fight though takes him every time, probably stops him.

[cupcrazy01]

I love the "he didn't do **** the first 8 or 9 rounds" argument.

WHAT?

Immediately after the fight, everyone said he didn't do anything for the first 5-6 rounds, then it became 7-8 and now it's 8-9. What will it be next year at this time? "Hopkins didn't do anything until the last round!" Come on.

Do you know what he did the first half of the fight? Guarded and gauged, studied and timed all Taylor had to offer, all the while effectively countering and making Taylor MISS the vast majority of his shots. Check the boxing press scoring. Here is an excerpt from Doug Fischer of maxboxing.com's account of how the press scored the bout. It is a part of something I wrote the Monday morning after the fight. Keep in mind, most press people hate Hopkins and love Taylor, based on demeanor and past treatment...

I wrote:

This sums it up, every single MAJOR boxing media member had either Hopkins winning or a draw--19 had Hopkins winning, 2 had a draw. This MUST be pointed out. Reel this off for the Taylor fans out there, see what their response is. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AGGRESSIVENESS and EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVENESS!!!

"I (Doug Fischer of maxboxing.com) scored the fight 116-112 for Hard Nard, as did David Mayo (Grand Rapids Press), Keith Idec (New Jersey Herald News), David Avila (Riverside Press Enterprise), Ramiro Gonzalez (La Opinion), Ron Borges (Boston Globe), and Tim Smith (New York Daily News). Steve Kim, Robert Morales (San Gabriel Valley Tribune & L.A. Daily News), Franklin McNeil (New Jersey Star-Ledger) and Ivan Goldman (The Ring) had it 117-111 for B-Hops. Joe Santoliquito (The Ring) had it 116-113 for Hopkins. Michael Katz (who covered the fight for Reuters), Max Kellerman (who was part of the HBO PPV broadcast team), Bernard Fernandez (Philadelphia Daily News), Kevin Iole (Las Vegas Review-Journal) and Paul Upham (secondsout.com) had it 115-113 for EX. The Associated Press had Hopkins up 114-113. Dan Rafael (ESPN.com) and Jerry Magee (San Diego Union-Tribune) saw it even, 114-114."

In addition, Eric Raskin of Ring Magazine had it 115-113 Hopkins.

Raskin: • My favorite line from Saturday night came from trainer Pat Burns, talking to Taylor after the fourth round: “He’s giving you a lot of respect. Take that respect away.” I think Taylor actually took Burns’ confusing advice, because by the last few rounds, Hopkins didn’t seem to be respecting his challenger at all.

HBO's Broadcast was a disgrace. I've never been more disappointed in Lamps or Harold Lederman, both of whom repeatedly talked as if Hopkins was running and posing instead of fighting, when in actuality he was reeling Taylor in, using those incredible feints and mind games to tense up the challenger, then popping him with incredibly subtle counter straights and hooks. Sure there were dirty moments, but that's boxing, and Hopkins is the best. The headbutt was clearly UNINTENTIONAL, so I don't want to hear any BS "Hopkins was scared and desperate so he headbutt Taylor."
Just because Hopkins wasn't taking the fight to Taylor until the 9th round doesn't mean he wasn't winning or wasn't in control. He CLEARLY set the pace for the bout and CLEARLY had Taylor running on empty in the last few rounds, because Hopkins--as he always does--had not only physically, but mentally executed his challenger.
You must tell people to watch the fight on mute and in slow motion. That is the only way to appreciate Hopkins' performance. Who would you have rather been after the final bell?

Exactly.