Would you consider Pacquiao one of the best offensive fighters of all time?

[djtmal]

WTF? 1a and 1b is Manny fan talk for 1 and 2. There was a clear #1 and a clear #2.

HUH?? Anyone can look at someone at the table. Manny was #2 anyway you cut it. Now does that mean floyd should get everything he wants, not necessarily.

1a and 1b is djtmal talk for, i saw them as equal on the playing field...pac represented floyd's biggest payday and biggest potential rival, and vice versa...for first time ost in a fight, 24 days was fair at that time, the mayweathers were bugging, and imo tried to stick some garbage in that nobody who carried pac's weight would agree to...

[The Big Dunn]

lol, I think you get the point. Anyways back to the point Manny is one of the greatest offensive fighters ever!

Yes he is. We definitely got sidetracked.

I will leave with this-if you believe in Karma, look at Manny's career and where it is. he refused to fight Floyd (IMO) and in the short term he benefited greatly from it. For 2 solid years he had the world believing he could beat Floyd.

And then, without anymore in house fights and not wanting to fight Floyd, he fought JMM and escaped with a MD. Then he got robbed in the Tim fight. then he refused $40 mil, no PPV from Floyd and got KTFO by JMM. Beat 2 bums and Tim and then finally fought Floyd and we know what happened. Then he ends up on ESPN against a bum in Australia, where he loses.

Karma

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Now you're trying to finagle the criteria to suit your ignorant first response to me in order to try and save face.

You should go back to the very first post I was responding to and read that again.

Thanks. By bye now.

I said Roy couldn't be considered an offensive juggernaut like Tyson or manny. He was more of a counterpuncher.

Show me the fights were he came at guys like Tyson or manny"peeleft:

[Boxing Goat]

Of course he was. He was earning far larger purses and his fights were grossing far more both at the gate and in PPV sales. This is documented.

I mean this is like someone trying to argue Cotto was as big as Manny.

He was earning more than Manny at the time because he was his own promoter but he was considered equal with Manny at the time. This was supposed to be a 50/50 ppv split at the time. That's well known. (not saying that it was just Floyds fault that the fight didn't happen, but it mostly was)

[djtmal]

[QUOTE=The Big Dunn;18045606
The bottom line-Manny refused to fight him. when he finally did, he lost decisively. Even better, his fans like you are left with "he woulda won in 09/10 or before the JMM KO".

In the end, he made more than $40 mil, no PPV, took drug testing, and lost in an embarrassing fashion, faked an injury, and went on to lose to a school teacher on ESPN.

hahahahaha![/QUOTE]

Oh I see you snuck this part in. The bottom line is, outside of Dunn, and Larry, nobody holds the little dude at full fault for the missed fight in 2009 and nobody's admitting to any of the bs Dunn tries to push. There's enough facts that support both sides. Even when it comes to who actually won that pathetic fight (Spoon).

Thats why they sit here and defend this crap fervently in Floyd's honor any time it comes up.

Sad that Floyd's mediocre points win was another one of those fights where the hype was better than the actual fight, and that Manny had already been sparked out by Marquez before Floyd could even muster enough courage to step in a ring with him. The farewell fight with Berto showed you how much Floyd needed just a name to buy ppv, albeit a name who had seen better days.

[The Big Dunn]

1a and 1b is djtmal talk for, i saw them as equal on the playing field...pac represented floyd's biggest payday and biggest potential rival, and vice versa...for first time ost in a fight, 24 days was fair at that time, the mayweathers were bugging, and imo tried to stick some garbage in that nobody who carried pac's weight would agree to...

of course you did, because you love Manny. If you run the numbers, its clear.

Agreed, they both represented each others biggest payday to date. That doesn't make them equal. Biil Gates and warren Buffet are both billionaires but they aint equal.

Whether you feel 24 days was fair or not, Floyd moved off from 0 days to 14, Manny refused that.

In the end, manny took the exact same tests, made the exact same 3rd of what Floyd made (although it was substantially more than what he would've in 09) and lost, just as he would've in 09.

Is what it is.

[Boxing Goat]

I said Roy couldn't be considered an offensive juggernaut like Tyson or manny. He was more of a counterpuncher.

Show me the fights were he came at guys like Tyson or manny"peeleft:

I know what you said but my first response was about Jones being an offensive force, which he was in spades. And he's not a counter puncher. And you apparently don't know prime Roy Jones. Go do some homework and come back here and apologize.

[BoxingTrav]

Yes he is. We definitely got sidetracked.

I will leave with this-if you believe in Karma, look at Manny's career and where it is. he refused to fight Floyd (IMO) and in the short term he benefited greatly from it. For 2 solid years he had the world believing he made some believe he could beat Floyd.

And then, without anymore in house fights and not wanting to fight Floyd, he fought JMM and escaped with a MD. Then he got robbed in the Tim fight. then he refused $40 mil, no PPV from Floyd and got KTFO by JMM. Beat to bums and Tim and then finally fought Floyd and we know what happened. Then he ends up on ESPN against a bum in Australia, where he loses.

Karma

Man I love Manny Pacquaio. But you're so right. Manny bought in to the hype. People made him believe an undefeated fighter, who had never been beaten, never been on his rear, never been dominated was afraid of him.

I will never forget what Pac said to Tim Bradley in their faceoff.

"For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." It was chilling.

Pac lost his way and was humbled. He was watching basketball before one of his fights. He was really intoxicated with his celebrity.

I feel bad for him because he truly is one of the best we have ever seen. He can't be happen on ESPN.

[The Big Dunn]

Oh I see you snuck this part in. The bottom line is, outside of Dunn, and Larry, nobody holds the little dude at full fault for the missed fight in 2009 and nobody's admitting to any of the bs Dunn tries to push. There's enough facts that support both sides. Thats why they sit here and defend this crap fervently in Floyd's honor any time it comes up.

Sad that Floyd's mediocre points win was another one of those fights where the hype was better than the actual fight, and that Manny had already been sparked out by Marquez before Floyd could even muster enough courage to step in a ring with him. The farewell fight with Berto showed you how much Floyd needed just a name to buy ppv, albeit a name who had seen better days.

Dude, you posted a snippet from an article that opines is Mayweather wrongly blamed for the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight never happening, and you say its me and Larry. hahahaha

No there aren't enough facts for both sides. There are the facts. Then there is Roach admission. I jsut debate it with you because I enjoy how much it bothers you to admit what Manny did.

Had Manny taken the $40 mil, no PPV offer, he wouldn't have gotten KTFO by JMM and you wouldn't have to keep bringing it up. In the end that is why I do this, because guys like you never want to hold Manny accountable for his actions.

Lucky for me, in the end, In a thread where we are discussing if Manny was the best offensive fighter ever, you bring up his biggest fight, a fight where he threw the fewest amount of punches in a 12 rd fight in his career.

Karma!! hahahahaha

[BoxingTrav]

I said Roy couldn't be considered an offensive juggernaut like Tyson or manny. He was more of a counterpuncher.

Show me the fights were he came at guys like Tyson or manny"peeleft:

Roy is one of the greatest offensive fighter of all time.

His power and speed were off the charts.

Go watch the Brian Brannon, Montell Griffin 2 and Pazienza fights if you want to see super aggressive Roy.