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Where do you rate Floyd in ATG p4p list?
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Originally posted by hugh grant View PostFloyd fighting atg is only a dream. Just fight the toughest available. So he didn't need to fight brook, sponce, Thurman, khan.
Didn't he have to fight outside backyard?
So Floyd only fought people in his weight class he needed to? Past greats fought people outside their weight class they didn't need to fight. Basically your admitting Floyd never challenged himself and the possibikities. The people in your weight class, historically might not be that good. So you've got to challenge yourself and perhaps fight bigger guys
SRR, SRL, and Hearns didn't move in weight as much as Floyd to challenge themselves. Floyd moved just as much as Duran did in weight to find challenges.
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Originally posted by whoelsebutjames View PostAlways level headed and on point. Recently--The say thing happened to Roy. 10 years ago people were clowning that he fought cab drivers and wasn't good once he lost his athletism. Now people are saying he was impeccable. People are near sighted.
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Originally posted by JK1700 View PostIt always happens bro, people weren't saying 2pac was the greatest rapper ever when he was alive, now he's looked at like a god. It's easier to appreciate people when they're not here or have been humbled like Ali and SRR were later in their careers. Bottom line people dislike Floyd right now but in 20 years or so these same people will be calling him the GOAT. The exact same thing happened with Ali, people realised how amazing he actually was after his career was over and boxing just wasn't as entertaining.
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tOriginally posted by Johnny2x2x View PostWTF are you talking about? Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes, only ODLH and Pacquaio have also done that. If Floyd wanted to only fight people at his own weight he would have stayed at 140 his whole career. He was a small welterweight who didn't even stop there, he went to 154 where he was a tiny junior middle weight who never weighed over 151 lbs.
SRR, SRL, and Hearns didn't move in weight as much as Floyd to challenge themselves. Floyd moved just as much as Duran did in weight to find challenges.
Duran fought greatest middleweight of all time.
I think you are embellishing Floyd and being easy on Floyd and not holding him to past greats standards. Why couldn't Floyd fight Sergio or ggg who aren't the goat middleweight? Oh Floyd's 40 years of you'll say. He didn't fight Thurman, Spence brook. They aren't ATGS sbut they're the toughestvavailable in a weak era already. They're no Frazier's, or foreman's yet still too good for Floyd to risk fightin g. It's clear Floyd has not done all he could in his career. It's a pattern that's consistent throughout his careerLast edited by hugh grant; 09-08-2017, 08:59 PM.
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Originally posted by Cracaphat View PostTop 15,but most definitely not top 10.Though if he's rated for maximizing the most money for the most minimal of risk,he is hands down TBE.
Just my 2c, don't hate. Top 15 for sure, but his claim to TBE is pretty weak tbh
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Originally posted by Johnny2x2x View PostWTF are you talking about? Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes, only ODLH and Pacquaio have also done that. If Floyd wanted to only fight people at his own weight he would have stayed at 140 his whole career. He was a small welterweight who didn't even stop there, he went to 154 where he was a tiny junior middle weight who never weighed over 151 lbs.
SRR, SRL, and Hearns didn't move in weight as much as Floyd to challenge themselves. Floyd moved just as much as Duran did in weight to find challenges.
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Originally posted by hugh grant View Postt
Floyd won titles in 5 divisions yet people don't think Floyd moved up in weight and fought bigger guys. People feel Floyd outgrew divisions as he sure rarely has looked undersized compared to opponents. Usually the guys he fought started in smaller weights as well. Dlh in his prime at ww might be quite good, but he achieved nothing at 154 apart from beat a champ. Dlh never campaigned there and developed any kind of reputation there like hagler at middle or ggg now at middle.
Duran fought greatest middleweight of all time.
I think you are embellishing Floyd and being easy on Floyd and not holding him to past greats standards. Why couldn't Floyd fight Sergio or ggg who aren't the goat middleweight? Oh Floyd's 40 years of you'll say. He didn't fight Thurman, Spence brook. They aren't ATGS sbut they're the toughestvavailable in a weak era already. They're no Frazier's, or foreman's yet still too good for Floyd to risk fightin g. It's clear Floyd has not done all he could in his career. It's a pattern that's consistent throughout his careerLast edited by DJ Enerate; 09-09-2017, 04:02 AM.
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Originally posted by DJ Enerate View PostFloyd also fought in the era of multiple world titles making his accomplishments so much easier to do. This is an era where the likes of Andre Berto can be a world champion lol. A lot of these Floyd fan don't realise how much tougher it was to win titles back when there was only one or two belts to win.
Name the greats and then I will name guys that beat them that Floyd beats.
You wanna name some fighters that have impeccable resumes and I,ll show you a pink elephant, most guys claim to fame is a couple of big names the rest of the resume is ordinary. People are always talking about prime, what really is prime other than a fans opinion, prime is primarily them at their best, and that can be on one or two nights not necessarily over years. A fighters physical prime is different than his mental prime and it usually transitions from one to the other.
In my honest opinion fans argue irrelevant BS to either prop a guy they like or bag one they don't like, all I know is Floyd Mayweather is judged to a higher standard than all others, that's just because this is his era and he was the best in it and also the dawn of the Internet age where every voice is fact and fact is so bias.
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Originally posted by DJ Enerate View PostFloyd also fought in the era of multiple world titles making his accomplishments so much easier to do. This is an era where the likes of Andre Berto can be a world champion lol. A lot of these Floyd fan don't realise how much tougher it was to win titles back when there was only one or two belts to win.
Once again, people need to look at some of the bums guys like Hearns and Duran beat for paper titles. Floyd went to a division and beat the best there, hold the past greats to the same standard.
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