Where do you rate Floyd in ATG p4p list?

[whoelsebutjames]

The thing is this - people don't want to give Floyd credit because of the likability factor. However once Ali retired and boxing was nowhere near as good without him, people started to miss him and all of a sudden all these haters changed their minds and started calling him the greatest. Expect something very similar to happen with Mayweather. In 10-20 years I guarantee a lot of people will look back on him as the best ever. Skill wise I gotta agree. Sugar Ray Robinson is a legend and a pioneer for the sport of boxing and I'm a huge fan of him too, but if you watched both of them fight you know Mayweather was better. There's guys who had more super fights than him like Leonard for example but that doesn't make you better just because you came along in a era where there was more ATGs. In the end it comes down to the total package and all aspects of boxing and Floyd is the most complete/most skilled fighter in all of boxing history. By definition that makes him the GOAT. However there are some people who define greatness by other things like how many big fights you've had and of course Floyd being so disliked doesn't help him in this debate because whether you are or not, a lot of people won't admit that you're the best if they don't like you.

Always level headed and on point. Recently--The say thing happened to Roy. 10 years ago people were clowning that he fought cab drivers and wasn't good once he lost his athletism. Now people are saying he was impeccable. People are near sighted.

[Johnny2x2x]

Floyd fighting atg is only a dream. Just fight the toughest available. So he didn't need to fight brook, sponce, Thurman, khan.
Didn't he have to fight outside backyard?
So Floyd only fought people in his weight class he needed to? Past greats fought people outside their weight class they didn't need to fight. Basically your admitting Floyd never challenged himself and the possibikities. The people in your weight class, historically might not be that good. So you've got to challenge yourself and perhaps fight bigger guys

WTF are you talking about? Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes, only ODLH and Pacquaio have also done that. If Floyd wanted to only fight people at his own weight he would have stayed at 140 his whole career. He was a small welterweight who didn't even stop there, he went to 154 where he was a tiny junior middle weight who never weighed over 151 lbs.

SRR, SRL, and Hearns didn't move in weight as much as Floyd to challenge themselves. Floyd moved just as much as Duran did in weight to find challenges.

[JK1700]

Always level headed and on point. Recently--The say thing happened to Roy. 10 years ago people were clowning that he fought cab drivers and wasn't good once he lost his athletism. Now people are saying he was impeccable. People are near sighted.

It always happens bro, people weren't saying 2pac was the greatest rapper ever when he was alive, now he's looked at like a god. It's easier to appreciate people when they're not here or have been humbled like Ali and SRR were later in their careers. Bottom line people dislike Floyd right now but in 20 years or so these same people will be calling him the GOAT. The exact same thing happened with Ali, people realised how amazing he actually was after his career was over and boxing just wasn't as entertaining.

[whoelsebutjames]

It always happens bro, people weren't saying 2pac was the greatest rapper ever when he was alive, now he's looked at like a god. It's easier to appreciate people when they're not here or have been humbled like Ali and SRR were later in their careers. Bottom line people dislike Floyd right now but in 20 years or so these same people will be calling him the GOAT. The exact same thing happened with Ali, people realised how amazing he actually was after his career was over and boxing just wasn't as entertaining.

Yup. He was the draft dodger and hung with extremist. People were rooting for Fraizer when they fought.

[hugh grant]

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WTF are you talking about? Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes, only ODLH and Pacquaio have also done that. If Floyd wanted to only fight people at his own weight he would have stayed at 140 his whole career. He was a small welterweight who didn't even stop there, he went to 154 where he was a tiny junior middle weight who never weighed over 151 lbs.

SRR, SRL, and Hearns didn't move in weight as much as Floyd to challenge themselves. Floyd moved just as much as Duran did in weight to find challenges.

Floyd won titles in 5 divisions yet people don't think Floyd moved up in weight and fought bigger guys. People feel Floyd outgrew divisions as he sure rarely has looked undersized compared to opponents. Usually the guys he fought started in smaller weights as well. Dlh in his prime at ww might be quite good, but he achieved nothing at 154 apart from beat a champ. Dlh never campaigned there and developed any kind of reputation there like hagler at middle or ggg now at middle.
Duran fought greatest middleweight of all time.
I think you are embellishing Floyd and being easy on Floyd and not holding him to past greats standards. Why couldn't Floyd fight Sergio or ggg who aren't the goat middleweight? Oh Floyd's 40 years of you'll say. He didn't fight Thurman, Spence brook. They aren't ATGS sbut they're the toughestvavailable in a weak era already. They're no Frazier's, or foreman's yet still too good for Floyd to risk fightin g. It's clear Floyd has not done all he could in his career. It's a pattern that's consistent throughout his career

[Bjl12]

Top 15,but most definitely not top 10.Though if he's rated for maximizing the most money for the most minimal of risk,he is hands down TBE.

Great fighter and not an easy night for anyone, but he would've had his hands full with many other ATGs. Although he might beat some or most of them he might not have been the fighters they were.

Just my 2c, don't hate. Top 15 for sure, but his claim to TBE is pretty weak tbh

[DJ Enerate]

WTF are you talking about? Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes, only ODLH and Pacquaio have also done that. If Floyd wanted to only fight people at his own weight he would have stayed at 140 his whole career. He was a small welterweight who didn't even stop there, he went to 154 where he was a tiny junior middle weight who never weighed over 151 lbs.

SRR, SRL, and Hearns didn't move in weight as much as Floyd to challenge themselves. Floyd moved just as much as Duran did in weight to find challenges.

Floyd did not move just as much as Duran did to find challenges. Duran fought prime Marvin Hagler ffs and went on to drop and beat Iran Barkley for the WBC middleweight title. He also challenged himself way past his best years fighting for super middleweight world titles and arguably should have won the first fight vs Pazienza. He was robbed against Comacho when he challenged for his world title when was 45 years old. He even challenged William Joppy for his middleweight world title a few years later. Duran is one of few fighters to compete at the top in 5 different decades starting his career at bantamweight and beating the likes of the brilliant Ernesto Marcel at featherweight before he went on to dominate lightweight for nearly a decade. He went up and challenged guys like Leonard, Benitez, Hearns, Hagler, Moore, and Barkley when they were in their primes fighting at their optimum weight class. Not many fighters dared to be great as much as Duran did. Floyd certainly didn't challenge himself as much as Duran. Would Floyd still have that 0 after fighting prime Hearns, Benitez, Leonard and Hagler ? I seriously doubt it. Duran at near 40 years old beat Iran Barkley who had just got off destroying Tommy Hearns. No one gave Duran a hope in hell. Floyd at 40 years old fights Connor Mcgregor LOL. For Floyd to be held to similar standards as Duran in regards to "challenging himself" he'd need to be fighting and beating the likes of GGG instead of the garbage Connor Mcgregor. A 40 year old Duran would have wasted Mcgregor very early.

[DJ Enerate]

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Floyd won titles in 5 divisions yet people don't think Floyd moved up in weight and fought bigger guys. People feel Floyd outgrew divisions as he sure rarely has looked undersized compared to opponents. Usually the guys he fought started in smaller weights as well. Dlh in his prime at ww might be quite good, but he achieved nothing at 154 apart from beat a champ. Dlh never campaigned there and developed any kind of reputation there like hagler at middle or ggg now at middle.
Duran fought greatest middleweight of all time.
I think you are embellishing Floyd and being easy on Floyd and not holding him to past greats standards. Why couldn't Floyd fight Sergio or ggg who aren't the goat middleweight? Oh Floyd's 40 years of you'll say. He didn't fight Thurman, Spence brook. They aren't ATGS sbut they're the toughestvavailable in a weak era already. They're no Frazier's, or foreman's yet still too good for Floyd to risk fightin g. It's clear Floyd has not done all he could in his career. It's a pattern that's consistent throughout his career

Floyd also fought in the era of multiple world titles making his accomplishments so much easier to do. This is an era where the likes of Andre Berto can be a world champion lol. A lot of these Floyd fan don't realise how much tougher it was to win titles back when there was only one or two belts to win.

[Reloaded]

Floyd also fought in the era of multiple world titles making his accomplishments so much easier to do. This is an era where the likes of Andre Berto can be a world champion lol. A lot of these Floyd fan don't realise how much tougher it was to win titles back when there was only one or two belts to win.

It wasn't tougher to win them it was tougher to get a crack at a title, lots of bozos that Floyd would have embarrassed have won world titles back in the day when you really only had WBC WBA.

Name the greats and then I will name guys that beat them that Floyd beats.

You wanna name some fighters that have impeccable resumes and I,ll show you a pink elephant, most guys claim to fame is a couple of big names the rest of the resume is ordinary. People are always talking about prime, what really is prime other than a fans opinion, prime is primarily them at their best, and that can be on one or two nights not necessarily over years. A fighters physical prime is different than his mental prime and it usually transitions from one to the other.

In my honest opinion fans argue irrelevant BS to either prop a guy they like or bag one they don't like, all I know is Floyd Mayweather is judged to a higher standard than all others, that's just because this is his era and he was the best in it and also the dawn of the Internet age where every voice is fact and fact is so bias.

[Johnny2x2x]

Floyd also fought in the era of multiple world titles making his accomplishments so much easier to do. This is an era where the likes of Andre Berto can be a world champion lol. A lot of these Floyd fan don't realise how much tougher it was to win titles back when there was only one or two belts to win.

LOL! Floyd wasn't just picking up meaningless titles. He fought and beat the lineal and undisputed top guys at 130, 135, 147, and 154. He didn't spend enough time at 140, but eventually fought the 140 undisputed champ only at 147 after that guy moved up.

Once again, people need to look at some of the bums guys like Hearns and Duran beat for paper titles. Floyd went to a division and beat the best there, hold the past greats to the same standard.