The Mayweather handpicking myth is a lie

[maracho]

If you don't know when that was then why the **** are you trying to discuss it. He said he could make 168, that's why nhe sent an offer for 168.

He also said once he moves up to 175 he wouldn't move back down.

No it means "will" not "eventually" and he doesn't mention Ward along with it, like you stated. GTFOH ****** liar.

Links?

The whole context was about ward and Golovkin eventually moving up so you are projecting your own issues.

[Robbie Barrett]

Links?

The whole context was about ward and Golovkin eventually moving up so you are projecting your own issues.

You really need links for the 168 offer Ward sent? GTFOH clown.

[whoelsebutjames]

The guy was saying 154-168 for a long time. Don't be trying to make excuses.

Man you got destroyed and can't even face it. You are a dogs asshole

Btw:



http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/co...ory?id=2645588

Please stop *******bing Arum, Roach, and other scum. Floyd, Mikey, Cotto, and Oscar (as well as pacFUCK) sought legal representation to get out and away from Arum to make more money. Since leaving Arum all of them have gone on to make historic money (jury isn't out on Mikey but the prospect looks good).

FYI....YDKSAB

Damn I was thinking nobody was paying attention. Good look.

Ok I finally got a chance to read the links. Floyd and Arum split peaceably and simply because Arum didn't want to work with De La Hoya. It seems like everyone who has worked as a manager or promoter of De La Hoya has very bitter feelings about him cluding Floyd.

So basically Mayweather went and fought baldomir for $1.6 million when he could have fought margarito for $8 million.

The other article says Mikey Garcia left Arum because Gamboa was going to make 5 to $700,000 more than him. Mikey didn't want any more future splits like that so he left. I say Mikey should have taken the $1 million fight with Gamboa and then left.

Arum's irate take on Floyd and MMA just shows how greedy he really is

If you don't know when that was then why the **** are you trying to discuss it. He said he could make 168, that's why nhe sent an offer for 168.

He also said once he moves up to 175 he wouldn't move back down.

No it means "will" not "eventually" and he doesn't mention Ward along with it, like you stated. GTFOH ****** liar.

Arum is the main starter of fight gossip. He says something and the boxing scribes run with it. Everybody he doesn't make money off his "cautious". Look it up. Mikey is now cautious. Do you see a pattern here? Mike says he had to sign a contract extension to fight Gamboa. Arum says he's a liar and a duck. Do you believe Garcia is a duck too??? Look it up. Bob and Floyd didn't even speak during PAC negotiations, Floyd has a good relationship with his son Tod as Arum says, look it up. I'm not going to keep providing baxk links for boxingscene for free. I don't even like this site that much.


The conversation boils down to two things?

1. Arums fighters don't fight anybody dangerous but he give them the reputation of dangerous in order to manuever himself into more money via public opinion. His fighter chase money fights but he derides people not under his banner for chasing money fights! Double talk. His stable was shoddy at best. He wants Ramirez vs Golovkin what about the other super middles?

2. Nobody in Floyds actual weightclasses could beat him. Floyd didn't challenge himself by putting himself at s disadvantage.people are mad because they never felt like Floyd could loose or put himself in a position to loose. But neither has their hero Golovkin but nobody is clamourinf about that. Already throwing around the ATG. It's just the pugilist form of Jim Crow.IMO

3. Floyd didn't face any arum fighters up till or since PAC. It's a two way relationship. Would you say Floyd was scared of Clottey? PAC fought Arum fighters because that what arum likes to do not because they were the most dangerous opponents. Rios???


Oh and Baldomir made 1.6 million Floyd Made 8. Dan goosen. 80/20 split

325k ppv buys x $50 =16.3 mil if you add a mil for gate.

Baldomir was the lineal champ and WBC. . That was a big deal not long ago. If you say it wasn't your lying !! Marg was the WBO. Which is worthless trinket. Why didn't Marg go for the WBC or lineal himself.

Where did you get the 1.6 mil???? My guess is Arum, Dan Rafael, or Steve Kim. Go figure.

[maracho]

Man you got destroyed and can't even face it. You are a dogs asshole

Btw:



http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/co...ory?id=2645588

Please stop *******bing Arum, Roach, and other scum. Floyd, Mikey, Cotto, and Oscar (as well as pacFUCK) sought legal representation to get out and away from Arum to make more money. Since leaving Arum all of them have gone on to make historic money (jury isn't out on Mikey but the prospect looks good).

FYI....YDKSAB

More like I hit a nerve if you wish me destroyed just for summarizing contracts that I admitted to not being aware of...LOL..I have already called Arum irate and greedy but if you dont think Oscar and Don King or just as bad or worse then you just sound racist.

I did make a mistake though when I thought the $1.6 million was for Floyd instead of Baldomir. On the other hand, I seriously doubt that Floyd Made $8 million for that ****ty fight. Id say the figure it was made up to save face

[whoelsebutjames]

More like I hit a nerve if you wish me destroyed just for summarizing contracts that I admitted to not being aware of...LOL..I have already called Arum irate and greedy but if you dont think Oscar and Don King or just as bad or worse then you just sound racist.

I did make a mistake though when I thought the $1.6 million was for Floyd instead of Baldomir. On the other hand, I seriously doubt that Floyd Made $8 million for that ****ty fight. Id say the figure it was made up to save face

You didn't hit a nerve, trust me friend. I actually had a long post with a bunch of videos and links that was lost when I was switching between browsers which frustrated me and I wasn't going to retype it. I thought about it and said you could look these things up but your not interested so why bother. You are deinfately intelligent enough to see past your own bias- you are ways more thanintelligent enough that you could come up with a more objective view but your not interested in doing that. That's your perogrative. People read into Floyds body language and every simple detail but don't read into anything else anyone else says becuase they have a perogative to begin with.

There's literally 100 of videos that reads into every single detail of every Floyd post conference since he's been popular. If I read into every detail I'm obsessed and making excuses.

You still question this. Here's the math estimation and tell me where I seriously erred. And I mean seriously not down to the minute details. Take it for what is. Ppv was reported at 325 k. You can find a link if you try.

325k ppv x $50 = 16.2 mil+. Live gate 1 million= 16.3 million

Promoted takes 30% of 16.3. = 4.9mil for Dan goosen
Managers take roughly 10%= 1.6 mil

4.9 + 1.6 = 6.5 million.

Revenue minus promotion and management cost.

16.3 million - 6.5 million = 9.8 million for fighters.

Fighter purses. 80/20 split.

Baldomir makes 1.6 million + Floyd 8 million = 9.6 million total

So in our estimation we are off 200k. But since we don't have the exact figures such as hd ppv vs standard that's reasonable. Also don't have exact gate or manager cost, promotional cost, event venue or stage renting, etc.

You've been a good sport. And have also, entertained and had informative opinions. One of which I enjoyed reading as it was perceptive and scientific.

But really,. All in all your questioning of Floyd has been circular and Socratic in nature. I think my precious post explains more about everything of note in regards to Floyd critiscms-- in an objective way-- then all of the critiscms combine. Floyd never put himself in danger. Ok, neither has GGG. Name one time you thought g would loose. Ever. Nobody at Floyds actual weightclasses would beat him. Period.

FYI. The destroyed part wasn't literal.

[maracho]

You really need links for the 168 offer Ward sent? GTFOH clown.

Figures you couldnt find one

HBO Kellerman and Dawson's own coach Sculley seemed to set up Chad Dawson in a similar way.

Dawson said he preferred 175 or a catchweight to fight Ward but he would come down to 168 if he had to. So Ward insisted on 168 even though Dawson kept telling everyone that in was severely draining him and asked for a reconsideration.

[Robbie Barrett]

Figures you couldnt find one

HBO Kellerman and Dawson's own coach Sculley seemed to set up Chad Dawson in a similar way.

Dawson said he preferred 175 or a catchweight to fight Ward but he would come down to 168 if he had to. So Ward insisted on 168 even though Dawson kept telling everyone that in was severely draining him and asked for a reconsideration.

Only a casual or troll would ask for a link to the Ward offer. Everyone knows it's true. GTFOH.

[whoelsebutjames]

The definitive guide to Arum ducking fighters and calling them ducks

The definitive guide to Arum ducking fighters

Arum is the main starter of fight gossip. He says something and the boxing scribes run with it. Everybody he doesn't make money off his "cautious". Look it up. Mikey is now cautious. Do you see a pattern here? Mike says he had to sign a contract extension to fight Gamboa. Arum says he's a liar and a duck. Do you believe Garcia is a duck too??? Look it up. Bob and Floyd didn't even speak during PAC negotiations, Floyd has a good relationship with his son Tod as Arum says, look it up. I'm not going to keep providing baxk links for boxingscene for free. I don't even like this site that much.


The conversation boils down to two things?

1. Arums fighters don't fight anybody dangerous but he give them the reputation of dangerous in order to manuever himself into more money via public opinion. His fighter chase money fights but he derides people not under his banner for chasing money fights! Double talk. His stable was shoddy at best. He wants Ramirez vs Golovkin what about the other super middles?

2. Nobody in Floyds actual weightclasses could beat him. Floyd didn't challenge himself by putting himself at s disadvantage.people are mad because they never felt like Floyd could loose or put himself in a position to loose. But neither has their hero Golovkin but nobody is clamourinf about that. Already throwing around the ATG. It's just the pugilist form of Jim Crow.IMO

3. Floyd didn't face any arum fighters up till or since PAC. It's a two way relationship. Would you say Floyd was scared of Clottey? PAC fought Arum fighters because that what arum likes to do not because they were the most dangerous opponents. Rios???

More like I hit a nerve if you wish me destroyed just for summarizing contracts that I admitted to not being aware of...LOL..I have already called Arum irate and greedy but if you dont think Oscar and Don King or just as bad or worse then you just sound racist.

Lets look at Arums matchmaking.

Arum fighters @ super feather weight via http://www.toprank.com/
(current Donaire left THIS YEAR 2017)

Nicholas Walters
Jason Sosa
Miguel Marriaga
Vasyl Lomachenko
joseph Adorno
Erick De Leon

NICHOLAS WALTERS LAST 4 fights
2016-11-26 Vasyl Lomachenko* Arum/Toprank
2015-12-19 Jason Sosa Arum/Toprank
2015-06-13 Miguel Marriaga Arum/Toprank
2014-10-18 Nonito Donaire* Arum/Toprank

Vasyl Lomachenko Last 4 fights
2017-08-05 Miguel Marriaga Arum/Toprank
2017-04-08 Jason Sosa Arum/Toprank
2016-11-26 Nicholas Walters Arum/Toprank
2016-06-11 Roman Martinez


Lets look at Pacquiaos run at WelterWeight

2017-07-02 Jeff Horn
2016-11-05 Jessie Vargas ARUM/TOPRANK
2016-04-09 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2015-05-02 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2014-11-23 Chris Algieri
2014-04-12 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2013-11-24 Brandon Rios ARUM/TOPRANK
2012-12-08 Juan Manuel Marquez ARUM/TOPRANK
2012-06-09 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2011-11-12 Juan Manuel Marquez ARUM/TOPRANK

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sport...acquiao/story/

2011-05-07 Shane Mosley
2010-11-13 Antonio Margarito ARUM/TOPRANK
2010-03-13 Joshua Clottey ARUM/TOPRANK
2009-11-14 Miguel Cotto ARUM/TOPRANK

hmmmm... i wonder why Khan vs Pac never happened... 4/12 fighters were not with top rank.. Where is the Pac vs Thurman, Brook, Spence Porter talk?????? Pacs literally ran out of ARUM fighters to fight LOL

3 different fighters.. same thing...... Do you notice a pattern here
Can Arum negotiate a fight where his fighter is not the A side???

Every non arum fighter is a cautious fighter...


Arum wants broner for pac 05/17


Arum bashes everyfighter that doesnt belong to him. Look on youtube and you will find more than enough evidence. People only believe Arum when its conveinant.


Mikey beating broner means nothing 3 months later, lol



Mikey calls out Loma.. Arum says Mikey is not a draw

which is my earlier point verbatim....
Arums fighters don't fight anybody dangerous but he give them the reputation of dangerous in order to manuever himself into more money via public opinion. His fighter chase money fights but he derides people not under his banner for chasing money fights!

oh yea....
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In a recent interview, Top Rank's CEO, Bob Arum, stated that WBC lightweight champion Mikey Garcia (37-0, 30 KOs) is demanding "millions of dollars" for a fight with Vasyl Lomachenko (8-1, 6 KOs), who holds the WBO super featherweight title.
Garcia has no idea how Arum came up with that information, because he says the two of them have never discussed the financial terms, or any terms for that matter, for a Lomachenko fight.
"Bob Arum does not even know what we're asking for, because we've never sat down to discuss that issue. He always says that I ask for a lot of money, and that's why the fights have never been given to me, but that's something that can not be known - simply because he's never sat down and talked to me. We have never discussed that issue," Garcia said to ESPN Deportes.

http://www.boxingscene.com/mikey-garcia-reacts-arum-money-claim-on-lomachenko-bout--119162

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needle gate via Alex Ariza, Mannys former conditioning coach



and heres alex on mikeys contract dispute

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Heres how toprank does business....

The lawsuit alleges that Garcia’s contract “improperly provides Top Rank the ability to extend the agreement indefinitely, essentially rendering the contracting fighter an indentured servant of Top Rank.” The filing claims that the contract violates California law. It also claims that the promoter has also violated the United States’ Muhammad Ali Act for multiple reasons, including “by failing to make required disclosures to Garcia concerning, among other things, the amount of money it would make from each of Garcia’s bouts.”
According to Garcia, the contract with Top Rank is already expired - with two pending clauses remaining. One clause provides Top Rank with the ability, until the end of May, to match any competitor's offer. The other clause provides Top Rank with the promotional rights to Garcia's first five defenses [if he is holding a title at the time his promotional contract expires].

Before you corporate cheerleaders start clamoring a clause is a clause.. Yes, but failing to disclose it, is serious shady business.

Toprank settled. Settlement is undisclosed. If they had a good counter suit and did things properly, do you think they would of relented it?

OH yea, and since Arum and Mayweather were on good terms....2008?

Without fanfare, which is a rarity in boxing, Floyd Mayweather Jr. filed a lawsuit against his former promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank, in Clark County (Nev.) District Court two weeks ago.

Mayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting. Mayweather has asked for the statutory minimum of $10,000 on each of the five counts, but would be in line for millions in punitive damages on a breach of contract claim.

"There's no question we owe him some money," Arum said. "There's no dispute there. But he owes us a lot of money and the people he's involved with owe us even more. After 98% of the money we owed him was paid, we stopped paying him for a reason.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/fight-personal-floyd-mayweather-jr-bob-arum-article-1.286596

Arum said he paid money to J Prince and other fees. Nothing became of that lawsuit that i know of. But it definitively proves that they were no longer on good terms after the Oscar fight.. Makes sense why he didnt fight Arum fighters

Oh yea... Cotto left Arum in 2011. Mayweather fought Cotto in 2012.. Coincidence???
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bob arum said he never talked directly to floyd during pac negotiations.. floyd talked to Lebouf his step son whom has a good relationship with floyd



Dana on how easy it was to hash deal with floyd



Bob Arum hasnt bashed Golovkin yet because he hopes to face him agasinst Ramirez @168. If Golvkin doesnt take the fight, hell be next on Arums **** list of cautious fighters.


“The fight Gilberto wants, assuming he’s successful in this [April 22 fight], is against Triple-G,” Arum said during the conference call. “And I would agree to fight that fight winner-take-all. I think Ramirez destroys Golovkin the same way that he destroyed Arthur Abraham.”

http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-ramirez-destroy-golovkin-winner-take-all--115171

"I really believe that as you said, they have trained together and when fighters train together - even though training is not the same as the fight - pretty well they figure the other guy out and he is very confident on how well he'll do against Golovkin," Arum told BoxingScene.com.

http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-ramirez-confident-what-he-against-golovkin--106041

ALL OF THIS IS UNMISTAKEABLE PROOF.. Arum and his cronies, steve kim and dan rafael have created a propoganda machine for years to make Arum money. Arums fighers fight each other. Arum has been overpricing himeself


LIL G

im not entertaining anymore talk of ward vs Golovkin. I dont blame for golovkin not fighting ward-- its common sense. He would loose bad.... Thats not what this threads for. Golovkins faced nobody. He has one name on his resume and that was his toughest fight.. A guy that was destroyed by Dmitry Pirog. Pirog had a similiar style to G, come to think of it...

But Pirog was less cautious.





Gs biggest challenge is a guy who's unproven at his weightclass.. Go figure. Ward asked him for 1 fight at 168 and Golovkin starts talking about staying at his weight class. HE COULD HAVE TAKE ONE FIGHT and went back down... DUH. When people ignore the obvious, on 3 different occasions- its not a mistake, its telling you something......

http://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nation-gggs-team-turned-down-ward-36-minutes--96761

http://www.************.com/2015/09/...ke-ward-fight/
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Loeffler didn’t want to commit to a fight against Ward when he had a pay-per-view fight for Golovkin against IBF middleweight champion David Lemieux (34-2, 31 KOs). Loeffler thinks the money that Golovkin will make in his fight against Lemieux and the winner of the Miguel Cotto vs. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez fight would be more than the money they would have gotten for a fight against Ward.

Loeffler says that Ward’s promoters at Roc Nation Sports wanted a 50-50 deal with Golovkin. Loeffler thinks it’s better for Golovkin to wait until he fights Lemieux and the Cotto-Canelo winner before commiting to a fight against Ward, because they could get a better than 50-50 split of the money.
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WOW ISNT THIS THE SAME THING FLOYD IS CRITISIZED FOR??? FIGHTING FOR MONEY LMAO

The guy was saying 154-168 for a long time. Don't be trying to make excuses.

Arums fighers fight eachother because hes garaunteed to profit. Not because other fighters are scared.. You guys read into everything but the obvious.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," BOB ARUM on why he didnt want to help Mayweather fight Oscar

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382


WHY HAS NON OF THE PROFESSIONAL BOXING MEDIA WROTE ABOUT THIS BEFORE ME???

[Bjl12]

Figures you couldnt find one

Look at this ****** here...no clue what's going on

‘It's not 'Triple G' no more, it's 'Little G'. 'Little G' turned down an official fight with us. For all the talk, for all that they said, the proof is in the pudding. I have an email right now that shows we gave them what he wanted...50-50... and the promoter turned it down, and said maybe 2017.'
'I'm a very respectful fighter, I don't get out of character and start talking crazy, but if you don't want to fight a fighter, or you don't think it's a good style or it's just not time then say that. The truth is they never wanted to fight.'

In response, Golovkin's promoter Tom Loeffler contacted the Los Angeles Times to clarify the 'context' of the rejection.
Loeffler said the offer was for a 50-50 purse-split in 2016, after each fighter had prepared by taking one more fight earlier in the year.

'It would've been a bad deal to take,' he told the Los Angeles Times.
He said the offer was received after he'd announced Golovkin's next fight against the Canadian David Lemieux, which takes place on pay-per-view on 17 October at Madison Square Garden in New York. This is disputed by Ward, who said in his video interview with SB Nation's Fight Hub TV that the offer was made 'before we knew he had a pay-per-view coming up, this is probably a week before [the fight was announced]. I knew nothing about the pay-per-view.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...ght-offer.html

[maracho]

You didn't hit a nerve, trust me friend. I actually had a long post with a bunch of videos and links that was lost when I was switching between browsers which frustrated me and I wasn't going to retype it. I thought about it and said you could look these things up but your not interested so why bother. You are deinfately intelligent enough to see past your own bias- you are ways more thanintelligent enough that you could come up with a more objective view but your not interested in doing that. That's your perogrative. People read into Floyds body language and every simple detail but don't read into anything else anyone else says becuase they have a perogative to begin with.

There's literally 100 of videos that reads into every single detail of every Floyd post conference since he's been popular. If I read into every detail I'm obsessed and making excuses.

You still question this. Here's the math estimation and tell me where I seriously erred. And I mean seriously not down to the minute details. Take it for what is. Ppv was reported at 325 k. You can find a link if you try.

325k ppv x $50 = 16.2 mil+. Live gate 1 million= 16.3 million

Promoted takes 30% of 16.3. = 4.9mil for Dan goosen
Managers take roughly 10%= 1.6 mil

4.9 + 1.6 = 6.5 million.

Revenue minus promotion and management cost.

16.3 million - 6.5 million = 9.8 million for fighters.

Fighter purses. 80/20 split.

Baldomir makes 1.6 million + Floyd 8 million = 9.6 million total

So in our estimation we are off 200k. But since we don't have the exact figures such as hd ppv vs standard that's reasonable. Also don't have exact gate or manager cost, promotional cost, event venue or stage renting, etc.

You've been a good sport. And have also, entertained and had informative opinions. One of which I enjoyed reading as it was perceptive and scientific.

But really,. All in all your questioning of Floyd has been circular and Socratic in nature. I think my precious post explains more about everything of note in regards to Floyd critiscms-- in an objective way-- then all of the critiscms combine. Floyd never put himself in danger. Ok, neither has GGG. Name one time you thought g would loose. Ever. Nobody at Floyds actual weightclasses would beat him. Period.

FYI. The destroyed part wasn't literal.

Uh I was clearly making the "hitting a nerve comment" to poster BJ12 so its kinda creepy that you are projecting toward yourself his emotional discharge over Arum and money.


Its likewise delusional to see my argument as circular Socratic when Floyd himself repeatedly admits that he also loves fighting blueprints to lose for easy money, hence the moniker Money May Money Team and his coming out as a bank robber . Unfortunately, Canelo and SOG are copying TBE, hence the bad press and/or unchristian behaviors.

The definitive guide to Arum ducking fighters

Lets look at Arums matchmaking.

Arum fighters @ super feather weight via http://www.toprank.com/
(current Donaire left THIS YEAR 2017)

Nicholas Walters
Jason Sosa
Miguel Marriaga
Vasyl Lomachenko
joseph Adorno
Erick De Leon

NICHOLAS WALTERS LAST 4 fights
2016-11-26 Vasyl Lomachenko* Arum/Toprank
2015-12-19 Jason Sosa Arum/Toprank
2015-06-13 Miguel Marriaga Arum/Toprank
2014-10-18 Nonito Donaire* Arum/Toprank

Vasyl Lomachenko Last 4 fights
2017-08-05 Miguel Marriaga Arum/Toprank
2017-04-08 Jason Sosa Arum/Toprank
2016-11-26 Nicholas Walters Arum/Toprank
2016-06-11 Roman Martinez


Lets look at Pacquiaos run at WelterWeight

2017-07-02 Jeff Horn
2016-11-05 Jessie Vargas ARUM/TOPRANK
2016-04-09 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2015-05-02 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2014-11-23 Chris Algieri
2014-04-12 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2013-11-24 Brandon Rios ARUM/TOPRANK
2012-12-08 Juan Manuel Marquez ARUM/TOPRANK
2012-06-09 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2011-11-12 Juan Manuel Marquez ARUM/TOPRANK

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sport...acquiao/story/

2011-05-07 Shane Mosley
2010-11-13 Antonio Margarito ARUM/TOPRANK
2010-03-13 Joshua Clottey ARUM/TOPRANK
2009-11-14 Miguel Cotto ARUM/TOPRANK

hmmmm... i wonder why Khan vs Pac never happened... 4/12 fighters were not with top rank.. Where is the Pac vs Thurman, Brook, Spence Porter talk?????? Pacs literally ran out of ARUM fighters to fight LOL

3 different fighters.. same thing...... Do you notice a pattern here
Can Arum negotiate a fight where his fighter is not the A side???

Every non arum fighter is a cautious fighter...


Arum wants broner for pac 05/17


Arum bashes everyfighter that doesnt belong to him. Look on youtube and you will find more than enough evidence. People only believe Arum when its conveinant.


Mikey beating broner means nothing 3 months later, lol



Mikey calls out Loma.. Arum says Mikey is not a draw

which is my earlier point verbatim....
Arums fighters don't fight anybody dangerous but he give them the reputation of dangerous in order to manuever himself into more money via public opinion. His fighter chase money fights but he derides people not under his banner for chasing money fights!

Its also delusional to try and compare Mayweather's resume to Lomachenko who is fighting guys 100 times more dangerous in his first ten fight than Floyd did in his first 17 fights

Manny is past it, get over it and Amir Khan gives the real reasons the fight fell apart http://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxin...ill-could-time