Why it's NOT bad for boxing if McGregor wins

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  • richardt
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    #31
    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
    So if Loma went over to the UFC & beat some 40 old post-prime, 2 year inactive MMA guy thats a win for boxing? Idk if I'd agree with that.

    I think people are confused about what Floyd has been doing as of late. Floyd hasn't beaten a top ten guy in 2 years. Could he even beat the Spence's or Thurman's today? Honestly I'm not sure. Does he reallllly represent boxing in 2017? Not to me, historically anyone who's done as much as Floyd always represents boxing to some degree, but if Tyson fought a UFC guy next year in the cage or the ring that wouldn't be a W or L for boxing either to me & neither is this fight to me. I understand people have a different opinion, but just like MMA didn't end when an old Ray Mercer KO'd a UFC champion in the cage boxing isn't gonna have its **** in the dirt either. Floyd would take a load of sh^t, but boxing will be just fine.
    The problem is this fight is 100,000 times more publicized than any UFC vs boxer fight in history and the masses will come down hard or Floyd and boxing if a boxer loses to a UFC fighter in the boxers wheelhouse. Thats the bottom line. Time may change that if more UFC fighters lose to boxers under boxing rules so even though you talk about where Floyd is at now in 2017, it doesnt matter because he is still expected by 99% of all boxing fans and others to win this fight and boxing will be the laughing stock if this money grab turns into boxing's worst nightmare. There is no way you can disagree with that.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
      You think Conor KO's Floyd & goes back to MMA? He's getting $100M+ for this fight allegedly. He's made about $15M/max for his biggest MMA fights when PPV points are counted allegedly. If he beats Floyd he'd probably knock down another near if not $100M payday if he fought Canelo next. He's not going back to the UFC if he beats Floyd.

      We might be seeing more boxers doing this, but its not a disaster to have new blood injected into boxing:
      [IMG]https://media.*****.com/media/l46CcBBrJNis5YPy8/*****.gif[/IMG]
      Even if he continues to fight in any sport the damage will already be done.

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #33
        Originally posted by richardt
        The problem is this fight is 100,000 times more publicized than any UFC vs boxer fight in history and the masses will come down hard or Floyd and boxing if a boxer loses to a UFC fighter in the boxers wheelhouse. Thats the bottom line. Time may change that if more UFC fighters lose to boxers under boxing rules so even though you talk about where Floyd is at now in 2017, it doesnt matter because he is still expected by 99% of all boxing fans and others to win this fight and boxing will be the laughing stock if this money grab turns into boxing's worst nightmare. There is no way you can disagree with that.
        A 100 MMA guys could come over to Boxing and all lose in the first 10 seconds it doesn't matter the damage will be done.

        "Yeah but McGregor beat Mayweather"

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        • richardt
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          #34
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          Ray Mercer knocking out that UFC guy WAS an embarassment to their sport. It just didn't have the entire world watching like this one.

          It would be like Jon Jones dominating for another 10 years, retiring for 2 years and the eqivielent of Andre Ward today going over to MMA and knocking him out. It would be disasterous for that to happen.

          It's plain common sense. Floyd is old yes, he's 2 years inactive yes, but he's still Floyd, 2 years ago he was P4P #1. No one in 20 years a wholeeee lot of top level boxers couldnt beat him. A guy who has never even boxed a day in his life walks in and beats him? I don't need to even explain why that would be a disaster for this sport.
          Exactly! This is the entire world watching and those who are not watching, will read the papers and watch the news and comment heavily, even people at work who know nothing about either sport are calling it a circus and Floyd shouldnt even lose part of a round and if he were to lose, the stigma of this would hurt boxing for countless years and be a stain on the sport for the fact that is was a money grab and the joke turned out to be on boxing. So Floyd has a lot of pressure because in that odd chance that things go wrong, boxing will NEVER hear the end of it, ever.
          Last edited by richardt; 08-13-2017, 03:00 PM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            Even if he continues to fight in any sport the damage will already be done.
            LOL some of you boxing dudes are f#cking serious & boxing is always in peril by your logic. Guys lose brother. Has nothing to do with boxing winning or losing.

            And just for my own curiosity I got a question for you, lets say Floyd was 41 & out 3 years, or 42 & out 4 years, or 43 & out 5 years...and so on if necessarily to 50 & out 12 years...when does Floyd losing to an MMA guy not a L & a disaster for boxing based on his age & years retired?

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              #36
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza
              A 100 MMA guys could come over to Boxing and all lose in the first 10 seconds it doesn't matter the damage will be done.

              "Yeah but McGregor beat Mayweather"
              Perfectly said!!!!

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              • Eff Pandas
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                #37
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                Ray Mercer knocking out that UFC guy WAS an embarassment to their sport. It just didn't have the entire world watching like this one.

                It would be like Jon Jones dominating for another 10 years, retiring for 2 years and the eqivielent of Andre Ward today going over to MMA and knocking him out. It would be disasterous for that to happen.
                I don't believe that at all.

                And yea okay maybe boxing fans were loling about the Mercer thing for a couple weeks, but ultimately that was Mercer vs Sylvia fighting not boxing vs MMA. Fans are dramatic as f#ck doe. In particular boxing fans.

                It's plain common sense. Floyd is old yes, he's 2 years inactive yes, but he's still Floyd, 2 years ago he was P4P #1. No one in 20 years a wholeeee lot of top level boxers couldnt beat him. A guy who has never even boxed a day in his life walks in and beats him? I don't need to even explain why that would be a disaster for this sport.
                Boxing is a part of MMA. So its not quite true that he's never boxed. Its not like this is Charles from accounting throwing on gloves for the first time ever & KOing Floyd if that were to happen by Conor on the 26th.

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                  #38
                  It would be an absolute disaster. Can't say this enough.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by richardt
                    The problem is this fight is 100,000 times more publicized than any UFC vs boxer fight in history and the masses will come down hard or Floyd and boxing if a boxer loses to a UFC fighter in the boxers wheelhouse. Thats the bottom line. Time may change that if more UFC fighters lose to boxers under boxing rules so even though you talk about where Floyd is at now in 2017, it doesnt matter because he is still expected by 99% of all boxing fans and others to win this fight and boxing will be the laughing stock if this money grab turns into boxing's worst nightmare. There is no way you can disagree with that.
                    I still say thats a short sighted look at what would happen. The main thing that would happen is boxing would have a bunch of new eyes on it & a bunch of new fans you'd be willing to pay 9 digits to Conor for future boxing matches. Who's bringing 9 digit paydays to boxing once Floyd re-retired post KOing Conor in 8 or whatever happens? No one anytime soon. Conor is the biggest name in combat sports & he'd be boxing now if he beats Floyd. I think some boxing fans are discounting what that means for boxing.

                    I actually feel the worst thing that could happen to MMA is Conor wins cuz Conor isn't going back to MMA for pennies on the dollar of what he can make in boxing. The UFC stock takes a hit if Conor wins.

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                    • IronDanHamza
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                      LOL some of you boxing dudes are f#cking serious & boxing is always in peril by your logic. Guys lose brother. Has nothing to do with boxing winning or losing.

                      And just for my own curiosity I got a question for you, lets say Floyd was 41 & out 3 years, or 42 & out 4 years, or 43 & out 5 years...and so on if necessarily to 50 & out 12 years...when does Floyd losing to an MMA guy not a L & a disaster for boxing based on his age & years retired?
                      I have literally never said Boxing is in peril, or Boxing is dying, or something will kill boxing.

                      But this scenario is brand new and never happened before. This won't kill Boxing because nothing can kill a sport that has such rich history and is as great as it is, but what it will do is irrepairable damage that it will never come back from. That's just a fact, an MMA guy with no fights beating a guy who was P4P #1 as recent as 2 years ago is extremely bad for the legitimacy of this sport. I know this because I can already hear people saying it, and spoken to people personally.

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