Ali: The Most Fixed Fighter of All Time

[McNulty]

Yes George throws arm punches but to say that's all he throws is not correct. George threw plenty of hard punches where he set his feet and rotated his upper body to get leverage on hus shots. They may be somewhat akward looking but they are not arm punches. By the way you didn't respond to my quote from the Time magazine article confirming the temperature was in the upper 80's and the humidity was 90% in Zaire the day of the fight.

I'll give you a slight edge on the word "all" but I shall reformat my comment to the "vast majority" of his punches are arm punches and they are. Foreman has farm boy strength --- something he was born with and has lighting bolt power in both hands. Probably could knock out most men with a back-hand, namsaying?

I didn't see a formal source, thus no comment. Just some guy typing something on the internet. I hope this doesn't offend?

I wouldn't exactly trust a source like Time believe it or not. A lot of investment has been put into Ali over the years. Something 3rd party and unbiased like a weather history report of Zaire. Objective data on the date would be much more believable and worth its weight in gold as I'm sure you would agree? Is that not reasonable?

[McNulty]

Because if you watch the fight again, you will notice that when Ali landed punches they were more clearer shots that were snapping Foreman's head back. If my memory serves me right I think in the very beginning of the fight Ali landed some good clean shots that kinda got Goerge's respect. Dude, please don't compare your amateur sparring & experience to the Ali/Foreman fight in Zaire Africa. I get it you are the KING OF Sparring in the gym. In other words you are a GYM RAT. But if you was a former boxer, you should know not to compare sparring with a real boxing match. In a real fight, like i'm sure you know, it's more of an adrenalin rush.

I wasn't a gym rat, I was an amateur competitor with an undefeated record. Now I know you never were a pro cuz you don't get adrenalin rushes unless you hurt somebody. I know that because I stopped my first opponent in the gloves and when I had him hurt I got the adrenaline rush.

Fake-pro talking fake-**** lol.

[sugar ray lenrd]

I wasn't a gym rat, I was an amateur competitor with an undefeated record. Now I know you never were a pro cuz you don't get adrenalin rushes unless you hurt somebody. I know that because I stopped my first opponent in the gloves and when I had him hurt I got the adrenaline rush.

Fake-pro talking fake-**** lol.

YES YOU ARE A GYM-RAT! You just chumped yourself, I was making a comparison with you & your Sparring championship compared to Ali/Formen. Your explanation is weak. When your fighting you are on all cylinders, of course you are on high gear, GTFOH!. King of the Sparring matches (undefeated in sparring). Cong****! I see you won the Golden Gloves!

So you're the King of Sparring & Golden Gloves winner...great!

[sugar ray lenrd]

I'll give you a slight edge on the word "all" but I shall reformat my comment to the "vast majority" of his punches are arm punches and they are. Foreman has farm boy strength --- something he was born with and has lighting bolt power in both hands. Probably could knock out most men with a back-hand, namsaying?

I didn't see a formal source, thus no comment. Just some guy typing something on the internet. I hope this doesn't offend?

I wouldn't exactly trust a source like Time believe it or not. A lot of investment has been put into Ali over the years. Something 3rd party and unbiased like a weather history report of Zaire. Objective data on the date would be much more believable and worth its weight in gold as I'm sure you would agree? Is that not reasonable?

Kid...STFO! You wasn't even born then. You sound like like a conspiracy theorist. GYM-Rat!

[TonyGe]

I'll give you a slight edge on the word "all" but I shall reformat my comment to the "vast majority" of his punches are arm punches and they are. Foreman has farm boy strength --- something he was born with and has lighting bolt power in both hands. Probably could knock out most men with a back-hand, namsaying?

I didn't see a formal source, thus no comment. Just some guy typing something on the internet. I hope this doesn't offend?

I wouldn't exactly trust a source like Time believe it or not. A lot of investment has been put into Ali over the years. Something 3rd party and unbiased like a weather history report of Zaire. Objective data on the date would be much more believable and worth its weight in gold as I'm sure you would agree? Is that not reasonable?

I consider Time magazine reliable. If you don't that's your business.

[PhillyPhlash]

Definitely

This thread made me join this forum. Ali undoubtedly had fights fixed. Probably no better example of this is one fight, even boxing historians, very seldom, if ever, talk about.

I'm talking about the Jimmy Young-Ali fight. Young completely dominated Ali to the point that he actually made Ali look like an amateur. He outboxed, outsmarted, outthought, and outplanned Ali throughout the fight and, incredibly, exposed Ali's lack of certain skills in the ring if you can believe that.

For anyone who really wants to educate themselves about Ali, I suggest you watch the entire 15 round Young-Ali fight.

Now, before I get flamed and made to look like I'm bashing Ali, I would never do that. Is he the greatest heavyweight of all time? Probably.

Were at least some of his fights fixed? Undoubtedly. Jimmy Young is proof of that.

For further reading about the Young-Ali bout, there is a great article on sweet science that validates everything I'm saying.

[sugar ray lenrd]

Yes, this same Jimmy Young KO Foreman in the 15 round (if my memory serves mi right).

[champion4ever]

The only fight I can truly say was the most fixed that you've failed to mention and left off your list was the Jimmy Young bout Ali had back in 1976. It was by far the most controversial fight of Ali's career in which he had clearly lost but was awarded the decision.

Young had a very awkward style. He out landed, out pointed and beat Ali to the punch at will all night.

Ali looked old, slow, out of shape with very bad timing. For example, I can't think of a single instance where Ali even landed a clean punch on Jimmy Young for the entire bout.

[champion4ever]

Yes, this same Jimmy Young KO Foreman in the 15 round (if my memory serves mi right).

No, it was back in 1977. He knocked George Foreman down in the fifteenth round of that bout before defeating and sending him on a ten year hiatus.

[Abstraction]

What a ridiculous post. Now i know why it's been so long since i've been here