Name 1 prime ATG that de la Hoya beat

[HarvardBlue]

Got robbed versus Mosley, Tito and Floyd, so there is your answer. If you are going to discredit his win over Whitaker because Pernell was at the end of his career, then you can't credit Floyd for his win over Oscar since it was at the end of Oscar's career (and it was a robbery).

I think the 3 fights you referenced were close but you couldn't call them robberies. The Mosely fight he came on at the end but Mosely was still in the fight. He pretty much cruised his way to a loss against Trinidad. He did better than expected against Mayweather but no way he won. You could make an argument for Mosely but I can't agree on Trinidad, definitely not on Mayweather.

Whitaker was at the end of his career but I also thought he won.

[bigdunny1]

I actually thought Quartey beat Oscar despite that big last round for Oscar.

If we go by that then most fans and experts thought Oscar won Tito and Mosley rematch but got robbed. Adding insult Mosley cheated testified admitted under oath that he was taking steroids. That puts a major cloud on even the first fight since if you cheating for a rematch why wouldn't you cheat for the much bigger first fight when you are jumping up 2 weight classes? As for Quartey fight it was close but Oscar deserved the W hewon the early rounds, Quartey won the middle rounds and then completely faded. Oscar swept all the championship rounds and had Quartey on ***** street with the ropes holding him up from getting knocked out in the 12th. Can't complain about a loss when you get dropped and almost knocked out when your corner tells you the fight is close we need the 12th.

[lparm]

You have to be a youngin to ask a ****** question like this. Oscar beat whitaker and chavez. Whitaker was the long reigning P4P king before Oscar beat him. And Chavez was the living legend lineal champ and still on some P4P lists. You add undefeated prime world champs like Quartey and Genario Hernandez, miguel angel gonzalez (all 3 guys were on top 10 P4P lists at some point in their careers before Oscar beat them). Also beat Hector Camacho fresh off his destruction of Sugar Ray Leonard. Also got a win over the bigger, younger and juiced out his mind Vargas.

For christs sake JCC was at the tail end of his career and was no where near prime when he fought oscar in either fight. That was the mid - late 90s Chavez and not the 80s version who was prime and the top fighter. Whitaker was also on the downside when they fought so he was past prime also. Did you even follow boxing at that time? Saying Whitaker was still prime because he was ranked p4p is like saying manny is still prime because he's still a p4p'er even though he's at the very end of his career. Oscar never beat a prime ATG. It's a fact

[bigdunny1]

Got robbed versus Mosley, Tito and Floyd, so there is your answer. If you are going to discredit his win over Whitaker because Pernell was at the end of his career, then you can't credit Floyd for his win over Oscar since it was at the end of Oscar's career (and it was a robbery).

the tito fight statistically since compubox started is one of the worst decisions in boxing history. One of the largest disparity in punches landed for a guy who didn't get the decision. Oscar was pitching a shutout at worst you maybe give one sympathy round to Tito. Oscar got bad advice and and ran the last 3 1/2 rounds protecting his win and not giving Tito a chance for a miracle shot. Even with those last rounds that Oscar gave away it's impossible to find 7 rounds to give Tito. Judges were paid off that night.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/8/1192157/compubox-worst-title-fight

Oscar was on pace to land over 300 punches and was doubling Tito up in every punching statistic before he shut it down. He refused to throw punches anymore the last few rounds he still landed 100 more punches then tito and 263 total. Tito was completely schooled and lost that fight.

[Demonio1023]

Tito - Debateable, I saw Oscar winning this fight, but Don King had a big part in swaying the judges.
Mosley - First fight, people forget that Mosley was on a heavy dose of PEDs and admitted to it. Second fight was debatable as many saw Oscar winning.
Hopkins - Clear win by Hopkins
Floyd - 50/50 fight that was given to Money.
Manny - Clear win for Manny.
Chavez is an ATG that Oscar beat although Chavez was no longer in his prime.
Vargas was in his prime when Oscar beat him, but is he an all time great? Possible.
Whitaker - This was a good win for Oscar but some may argue, that Whitaker was no longer in his prime.
Camacho - Same as above.

Oscar was a warrior who didn't turn down any fights and gave us exciting fights with anyone he stepped in the ring with. He was a beast during his prime.

[LacedUp]

I like oscar he helped keep boxing relevant in the 2000s and made huge ppv fights that brought fans to the sport but his record is frankly shit against the best.

Tito
Mosley
Hopkins
Floyd
Manny

All prime or near prime atgs and they all pinned losses on DLH. I seriously can't name 1 ATG in his prime that he beat. Can you?

JCC and Whitaker.

That was easy.

Oscar fought everyone in their prime. pathetic to try and hate on his resume imo.

[bigdunny1]

For christs sake JCC was at the tail end of his career and was no where near prime when he fought oscar in either fight. That was the mid - late 90s Chavez and not the 80s version who was prime and the top fighter. Whitaker was also on the downside when they fought so he was past prime also. Did you even follow boxing at that time? Saying Whitaker was still prime because he was ranked p4p is like saying manny is still prime because he's still a p4p'er even though he's at the very end of his career. Oscar never beat a prime ATG. It's a fact

Chavez was 33 years old lineal world champ and still on top p4p lists. But he's too old so don't count it? Yet you blatantly count Oscar at 35 when he was older an inactive and NO LONGER on any P4P lists and was the 3rd ranked world title holder at 154 at the time. You count his loss to Manny when he was 36 no longer a world champ or top ranked at ANY weight class. Oscar was clearly in his prime in the 90's yet you have no problems counting losses when he was far from his prime in the late 2000's? You can't play this both ways. Chavez and Whitaker were still elite fighters more so then Oscar was at the end of his career when he lost to Manny and Floyd. You are picking and choosing what fights you choose to count and discount to fit your agenda. tito was prime and nobody thinks he deserved that win.

[Boxfan83]

For christs sake JCC was at the tail end of his career and was no where near prime when he fought oscar in either fight. That was the mid - late 90s Chavez and not the 80s version who was prime and the top fighter. Whitaker was also on the downside when they fought so he was past prime also. Did you even follow boxing at that time? Saying Whitaker was still prime because he was ranked p4p is like saying manny is still prime because he's still a p4p'er even though he's at the very end of his career. Oscar never beat a prime ATG. It's a fact

So you made a thread asking a question that you already have the answer for in your head?

[Don Pichardo]

the tito fight statistically since compubox started is one of the worst decisions in boxing history. One of the largest disparity in punches landed for a guy who didn't get the decision. Oscar was pitching a shutout at worst you maybe give one sympathy round to Tito. Oscar got bad advice and and ran the last 3 1/2 rounds protecting his win and not giving Tito a chance for a miracle shot. Even with those last rounds that Oscar gave away it's impossible to find 7 rounds to give Tito. Judges were paid off that night.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/8/1192157/compubox-worst-title-fight

Oscar was on pace to land over 300 punches and was doubling Tito up in every punching statistic before he shut it down. He refused to throw punches anymore the last few rounds he still landed 100 more punches then tito and 263 total. Tito was completely schooled and lost that fight.

I would quote roger Mayweather...

all ill say is that I care less if Oscar landed 100,000 more punches than tito. boxing is scored by rounds. total punches landed from compubox(not even going to get into its reliability) is a simple gimmick to give commentators things to talk about. Interesting yes. relevant no.

1. Oscar barely threw a punch the last 4 rounds. Mind you this included the championship rounds in the "fight of the millennium". (Oscar scammed us again). an unwritten rule is your must take the champions belt. Sorry he didn't take a damn thing. .

2. I wont even get into consideration of 10-8 rounds for running and not throwing a punch. But for Oscar to have gotten "robbed" (lol btw) it would mean that he literally swept undisputedly all 1-8. Sorry that's not the fight I saw.

It fair to say tito lost a close fight, which I would respect. But to say Oscar was robbed...well roger Mayweather comes to mind.

Oscar didn't run to secure a win from "bad advise". Oscar was dead tired from his strategy. HIs strategy was clear. Avoid titos power. Stay on the out side, jump in and flurry and jump right back out. do this 3 times a round. Naturally its very exhausting. after eight he was spent. If he could have kept it up he would have. BUt he knew he would slow and tito would have have caught him, spelling goodnight. So once he ran out of gas he stayed away. simple as that.

He said he gave tito a boxing lesson. But failed to remember that championship fights are 12 rounds not eight and didn't strategize accordingly. Actually it was a very good strategy to insure he didn't get ktfo. We all know that would have happened if Oscar fought any other way than the way he did...

peace I'm out before the don't knows chime in see sig.

[soul_survivor]

Got robbed versus Mosley, Tito and Floyd, so there is your answer. If you are going to discredit his win over Whitaker because Pernell was at the end of his career, then you can't credit Floyd for his win over Oscar since it was at the end of Oscar's career (and it was a robbery).

Whitaker was nowhere near the end of his career. He was the number one welterweight on the planet.

Edit: I should say, nowhere near the end before that fight but a combination of Oscar winning and all the drugs led to a sharp decline in a very short period after that fight.