Why does GGG get a pass for ducking Andre Ward?

[JK1700]

You need to provide evidence for these blatant lies bro. There were no such offers other than the fake one. Give us exact dates when those offers were made. It's not hard to fact check them.

LOL i've already posted the video about 3 times but here you go anyway...

He talks about the offer in "late 2014, early 15)



Here he talks about the offer in September 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...ght-offer.html

"Boxing's not hard, if you want to fight me and I want to fight you, it's easy"

- Andre Ward

Even GGG's own promoter was quoted as saying "It would have been a bad idea to do it". Basically admitting that he knows what would've happened.

If you guys still think he wanted the fight I don't know what to tell you

[N/A]

it's a duck because he said he would fight anyone from 154-168 then backtracked when the top dog called him out.

Please show us where he said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be. Golovkin is a great champion of the WBC WBA IBF and has always shown the utmost courage and sportsmanship.

I'm not calling him a ducker in general, but he did duck Ward.

When Golovkin and Ward were 160 and 168 pound champions, Golovkin agreed to face Ward at 164 with a 50/50 purse split. That is not ducking. When people cry wolf about ducking, it allows the real duckers (like Canelo) to get away with it.

I like both guys but i'm not really a big fan of either. It's just funny to me how some guys are made to move up and get pressured into big fights, then there's guys who can fight anyone, not move up, take easy fights and they get praised for it. You can't have it both ways.

We don't want it both ways. If Ward was comfortable making super middleweight, it would have been preferable for him to continue to unify the division. It is agreed that Ward was pressured by HBO to move up and HBO should be criticized for that. Fighters should fight in whatever weight class they are most comfortable fighting in.

There is a double standard sometimes and it's not fair, but to call Golovkin a ducker isn't fair either. When he was desperate for a big fight and willing to face 168 pounders, Ward was either unavailable or uninterested. It was only later, when Golovkin had become a star and no longer needed to chase guys in other divisions, that suddenly Ward was interested, but Ward wasn't willing to cave on money or weight. He wanted both his way. Which is fine, but it doesn't make Golovkin a ducker if he says no thank you.

[IboxSouthpaw]

GGG avoided Andre like the plague... We know he boxed the ears off kovalev .. GGG would have been much easier to control and smother .. We got Ward teaching one boogieman a lesson, let's move on and if he wants to move up and get it so be it

[IboxSouthpaw]

It's sad this gets dragged on after what ward went on to do against kovalev lol

[JK1700]

Please show us where he said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be. Golovkin is a great champion of the WBC WBA IBF and has always shown the utmost courage and sportsmanship.




When Golovkin and Ward were 160 and 168 pound champions, Golovkin agreed to face Ward at 164 with a 50/50 purse split. That is not ducking. When people cry wolf about ducking, it allows the real duckers (like Canelo) to get away with it.




We don't want it both ways. If Ward was comfortable making super middleweight, it would have been preferable for him to continue to unify the division. It is agreed that Ward was pressured by HBO to move up and HBO should be criticized for that. Fighters should fight in whatever weight class they are most comfortable fighting in.

There is a double standard sometimes and it's not fair, but to call Golovkin a ducker isn't fair either. When he was desperate for a big fight and willing to face 168 pounders, Ward was either unavailable or uninterested. It was only later, when Golovkin had become a star and no longer needed to chase guys in other divisions, that suddenly Ward was interested, but Ward wasn't willing to cave on money or weight. He wanted both his way. Which is fine, but it doesn't make Golovkin a ducker if he says no thank you.

All you gotta do is google it bro, it's all out there. There's a million different people they went to saying he would fight anyone from 154 to 168. You guys are taking this totally wrong. I don't dislike Golovkin, i'm just putting out the fact that he avoided the fight. He said he would fight anyone at 168 then got offered the Ward fight at 168, rejected it straight away then went to the media with his excuses. Just say you didn't want it. Don't say you'll do something you won't do.

I wouldn't call Canelo a ducker because he's gone up a division and is fighting GGG. Not saying Golovkin's a ducker either but that's something he's not willing to do. I don't mind him staying in his division, just don't go to the media/fans and say one thing and do another behind the scenes. He said he would fight anyone at 168, that most people were scared of him and he couldn't get fights. But it's clear at this point that was total BS. They paint him as the boogeyman, if you're the boogeyman you should be willing to fight the absolute toughest guys and move up.

Nowhere and in no way did I call GGG a ducker, i'm just stating facts that he avoided this fight. Which is a proven fact at this point, he was offered a 50-50 split at 168 on two occasions and immediately rejected both offers. The money was more than fair - 50-50, the weight was only 1 division up (how many JMW's has he made come up to 160?) and he turned it down. I understand if he doesn't want to go up in weight but then don't call him "great" because nearly all of the greats did this. Some of them have gone up 3-4-5 weight classes and this guy can't go up 1?

Not hating on him for it but let's be honest, a lot of other fighters get killed in the media for doing things like this, while people's "favorite" few others get a pass.

[JK1700]

It's sad this gets dragged on after what ward went on to do against kovalev lol

LOL i'm done with the thread at this point but people keep coming at me

[Buckfever]

Only because everyone knew that he was waiting on a payday with Canelo.

[CatchAndShoot]

Because Ward was already 2 divisions above him:
Had we'd still been active at 168 then he would have a point

This. I don't think anyone truly believed he was gonna beat Ward, and DAMN SURE not after he stopped Kovalev. Just being unbiased, and not really having a dog in the race, never really held it against him.

Fighting a bigger guy is already tough, but when you're more of the brawler, while the bigger guys is the slicker, technical boxer type, that's a mountain to climb. GGG's good, but not Duran, good.

[N/A]

Please show us where he said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be.

All you gotta do is google it bro, it's all out there.

We googled it and can't find it. Maybe you are smarter than we are. Please show us where Golovkin said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be.

Thank you for your time.

[JK1700]

We googled it and can't find it. Maybe you are smarter than we are. Please show us where Golovkin said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be.

Thank you for your time.

LOL Do I really have to do this for you. Google it. I could find a million links but i'm getting tired of this topic now to be honest with you. Really no more to say here.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/bo...-at-154160-168

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-ill-154-168-only-big-ppv-fight--80225

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article25759.html