Comments Thread For: De La Hoya on Mayweather: Fans Want Drama, Not a Runner

[Chollo Vista]

And I don't care about Oscar's excuses. He cherry picked Manny and it backfired. That hurts his legacy. It was worst than choosing Jeff Horn as a showcase opponent and losing to him instead.

You mean Roach's excuse? Roach said it.

And Shane ducked Floyd for a decade. "My tooth ache". "I need to spend time with my family". Shane was terrified of PBF

Ok now you're talking about 2006 which is true. But originally you said Shane ducked Floyd in 2000 when they were several weight classes a part. Which one is it?

How did Shane duck Floyd for a decade? You make no sense.

Also, you said DLH was never an elite fighter ever. I showed you the P4P and divisional rankings that said otherwise. You have yet to respond.

[A-Wolf]

Does Floyd deserve to be called a "runner?"

Yes and no. Ultimately his tactics whether offensive or defensive are identical to a mongoose.

He probes, retreats, probes, retreats, attacks, retreats, probes, retreats, ect.

It's a tried and true method. Certified by Mother Nature.

The problem is his "natural enemies" do not have lethal one strike capability the way a Cobra would. AND he fights that way against people who can't even harm him.

Is he a perfectionist or a b*tch? I tend to think he's a b*tch that doesn't like to get hit but you don't have to agree with me.

[ironmt]

Yeah Oscar started fading in the 2nd half, thus making the rounds much closer. I had Oscar up quite a bit heading into the 2nd half of the fight. If you give DLH any rounds in the 2nd half of the fight, then you have to give it to DLH

Floyd himself knew it was close, that's why when they announced his name, his knees buckled and he started crying

I re watched the fight and had Floyd winning 7-5, but I can see how you could have the fight going either way. There were some very close rounds, particularly the 9th, which I gave to Oscar. Two things are certain In my mind, 1. Oscar definitely won more than 3 rounds. Anyone saying different Is biased and 2. A prime Oscar beats a prime Floyd. Coming Into their fight, a 35 year old Oscar with one fight In 3 years since being knocked out by Hopkins, gave Floyd hell.

[Chollo Vista]

I re watched the fight and had Floyd winning 7-5, but I can see how you could have the fight going either way. There were some very close rounds, particularly the 9th, which I gave to Oscar. Two things are certain In my mind, 1. Oscar definitely won more than 3 rounds. Anyone saying different Is biased and 2. A prime Oscar beats a prime Floyd. Coming Into their fight, a 35 year old Oscar with one fight In 3 years since being knocked out by Hopkins, gave Floyd hell.

It was definitely a close fight. I haven't watched it in years, but I remember scoring it for DLH initially.

Regarding the fight being close, yes DLH was well over the hill, but I can also see the argument of DLH being significantly bigger, picking the weight, ring size and gloves.

But either way, this shouldn't have been a concern for the one they call TBE

[nubianpiye]

When it comes to Hernandez, Gatti and Pac, Oscar fought all 3 before Floyd. Was Pac still prime when he fought DLH? Maybe.

Outside of Corrales, Canelo, Hatton and Marquez, you have to ask yourself not "who", but "when". The Manfreddy win was cool for Floyd.

Oscar has many Manfreddy esqu wins though

Always an excuse when Floyd beats an opponent Floyd was older than the majority of these opponents when he neat them and probably further removed his prime.

[pugil1st]

Dam when did you get in the red?

That has never meant anything to me. I come here for boxing info and post when I'm pissed or interested. Anything else is unimportant unless someone is giving out REAL money for my opinion.

[bluebeam]

Winky and floyd were never in the same division

Margarito was a top rank fighter. It took 5 years to make pacquaio. Arum would have never made margo-floyd after floyd left.

Floyd also negotiated with arum for a cotto and margarito fight before he left top rank. Floyd made more fighting hatton than he would have in two fights combined under arum. He then fought dlh, a better fighter than margarito.

forrest? when was there any demand for that fight? when were they in the same division? go look up what division mayweather was in when forrest was prime.

we are talking about fighters that de la Hoya ducked. not floyd

pay attention

[bluebeam]

I think he was talking about DLH ducking those guys.

And to be fair, Floyd asked for a package deal to fight DLH, Cotto and a few others. Arum wouldn't give him the money so Floyd left and did his own thing.

When asked after the Hatton fight to fight Cotto early 2008, why did Floyd opt to retire?

https://*************/watch?v=ehkoCj7DL_k

There was no mention of Arum being a road block. The only reasons Floyd gave at that time for nit fighting Cotto is Cotto lived too far and Floyd would retire from boxing and not let the sport of boxing retire him.

No Paul Williams during this time? No, just retirement. I have a problem with that. Especially when comparing FMJ to prime RJJ for legacy.

so do you have a problem with pacquiao, Mosley and cotto not fighting Paul Williams? because all of those guys were active at 147 while Williams was there . Floyd was retired.

they get a pass tho right?

[bluebeam]

Saying Arum was the problem for Floyd Cotto not happening because he was the problem for the Pac fight is what you call a slippery slope.

If we're speaking about facts, why didn't Floyd mention Arum being a problem for the failed Cotto negotiations?

The only thing we have on record of Floyd saying why he didn't fight Cotto in 2008 is because Cotto lived too far and he won't let the sport of boxing retire him, he'll retire from the sport of boxing first.

you keep talking about 2008 but skipping over that Floyd vs cotto was supposed to happen at 140 in 2005. Floyd didn't fight at all in 2008.

arum changed his mind and said cotto wasn't ready.

you dudes change the narrative over and over

Floyd vs Mosley was supposed to happen in 2006. hbo was ready to make the fight and Mosley turned it down and said he was going on vacation


Dr la Hoya vs mayweather happened in 2007 because Oscar wanted it too.

Oscar was the A side not Floyd. so Floyd had to wait until Oscar decided to fight. it wasn't the other way around.

Floyd didn't pick Oscar. Oscar picked Floyd.

Oscar was the A side. Floyd didn't wait til Oscar was 36. Oscar waited until he was 36.

these are facts, not opinions

[bluebeam]

Winky was offered 5 mil and priced himself out. He didn't fight Forrest because Mosley won and went on to fight Forrest after DLH.

Oscar could have fought Forrest after forrest beat Mosley not once, but twice.

de la hoya didn't want that fight.

and I guess you agree that he ducked margarito after he beat cotto? to instead fight a 135 pacquiao that ended up being a cherry pick gon wrong