Comments Thread For: De La Hoya on Mayweather: Fans Want Drama, Not a Runner

[Nightfall]

Fraud Jr runs more than your typical black from the police.

not as much as all those white kidnapping child ******ers.

[Chollo Vista]

I believe Floyd was attempting to negotiate a rematch with Oscar Instead of fighting Cotto. He was not Interested In Cotto at all In 2007-2008.

Yeah he was going after the money with Oscar, but that's a foul because Oscar was at the tail end of his career. Prime Oscar was early 2000's, not almost 8 years later.

2008 Cotto had just beat Mosley and Floyd just beat Hatton. The boxing public wanted the more heavily competitive fight with Cotto, not Oscar.

And we're not even talking about Williams. Floyd retired during this time.

[ironmt]

Yeah he was going after the money with Oscar, but that's a foul because Oscar was at the tail end of his career. Prime Oscar was early 2000's, not almost 8 years later.

2008 Cotto had just beat Mosley and Floyd just beat Hatton. The boxing public wanted the more heavily competitive fight with Cotto, not Oscar.

I absolutely agree with you.

[elfag]

I think he was talking about DLH ducking those guys.

And to be fair, Floyd asked for a package deal to fight DLH, Cotto and a few others. Arum wouldn't give him the money so Floyd left and did his own thing.

When asked after the Hatton fight to fight Cotto early 2008, why did Floyd opt to retire?

https://*************/watch?v=ehkoCj7DL_k

There was no mention of Arum being a road block. The only reasons Floyd gave at that time for nit fighting Cotto is Cotto lived too far and Floyd would retire from boxing and not let the sport of boxing retire him.

No Paul Williams during this time? No, just retirement. I have a problem with that. Especially when comparing FMJ to prime RJJ for legacy.

Arum was definitely a road block. Do you not remember the 2-3 times they tried to negotiate the pacquaio fight? Remember floyd was going to jail, arum said the jail dates didnt work, pacquaio needed more time, floyd got the Judge to push his date back, Arum never thought that would happen, then came up with the new excuse that the fight could only be made if they built an entire new stadium?

Floyd fought Cotto in literally his first fight after he left top rank. The very first fight!

https://www.badlefthook.com/2011/12/...boy-mayweather

[Chollo Vista]

I watched the fight but It has been a very long time. In other words Oscar faded In the later rounds as he did with Trinidad?

Yeah Oscar started fading in the 2nd half, thus making the rounds much closer. I had Oscar up quite a bit heading into the 2nd half of the fight. If you give DLH any rounds in the 2nd half of the fight, then you have to give it to DLH

Floyd himself knew it was close, that's why when they announced his name, his knees buckled and he started crying

[Chollo Vista]

Arum was definitely a road block. Do you not remember the 2-3 times they tried to negotiate the pacquaio fight? Remember floyd was going to jail, arum said the jail dates didnt work, pacquaio needed more time, floyd got the Judge to push his date back, Arum never thought that would happen, then came up with the new excuse that the fight could only be made if they built an entire new stadium?

Floyd fought Cotto in literally his first fight after he left top rank. The very first fight!

https://www.badlefthook.com/2011/12/...boy-mayweather

Saying Arum was the problem for Floyd Cotto not happening because he was the problem for the Pac fight is what you call a slippery slope.

If we're speaking about facts, why didn't Floyd mention Arum being a problem for the failed Cotto negotiations?

The only thing we have on record of Floyd saying why he didn't fight Cotto in 2008 is because Cotto lived too far and he won't let the sport of boxing retire him, he'll retire from the sport of boxing first.

[Floyd is TBE]

This is farthest from the truth. How old are you because you sound like you haven't been covering the sport that long. Oscar's first big fight was probably against Ruelas. Chavez was a big fight. Gonzales was a big fight. Quartet was a big fight. Whitaker was a big fight. Vargas was a big fight.

The Mosley fight was a big fight even though Oscar was robbed in the rematch.

That's just for starters.

Are you new to the sport or maybe you weren't around then.

Oscar was never considered the best in the world? Are you serious?



Azumah was at the tail end of his career when Oscar started. How did he duck Nelson?

The other 2 guys you're talking about is absurd.

Wright priced himself out like he's always done. And if you're going to mention Wright, you might as well mention him for Floyd as well because they were supposed to fight but didn't

Shane x2, Tito, Pac, Floyd, Hopkins etc... He fought them and he lost. That's a lot of big losses on the grandest stage. You can't talk up his resume and ignore all the big fights he's lost. That's disingenuous.

And Oscar was at 147 long enough to fight Lopez. He came out and said himself that he specifically didn't want to fight him. THAT IS ducking. Oscar ducked Lopez because he was stylistically a nightmare for him. He ducked a rematch with Tito because he was afraid of the man. Mr fearless said he was "too green" for Azumah. Oscar's reputation as a fearless warrior is a lie created by the HBO media machine, just like his clean cut golden boy persona.

[Floyd is TBE]

In my opinion Floyd vs Oscar is a great example of ****ty HBO commentary and a biased hometown crowd biasing peoples perception. Fight wasn't even close. Oscar won three rounds at best.

"Oscar out jabbed Floyd for six rounds". "Out jabbed" meaning Oscar was getting timed and countered by Floyd so much he eventually abandoned his jab altogether. But if you listen to HBO commentary Oscar just had a brain fart and went away from his jab for no reason.

[Chollo Vista]

Floyd fought Cotto in literally his first fight after he left top rank. The very first fight!

That's a no brainer. Where was Cotto in 2012 as opposed to 2008? Cotto was a few fights removed from the Margarito plaster incident and being beaten to a pulp by Pac.... He also arguably lost to Clottey.

2012 Cotto was not the same terminator as 2008 Cotto. And if we're being honest, the only reason Floyd fought Cotto is because he couldn't fight Pac. Do you not remember Floyd diminishing Pacs victory over Cotto in 2009 because of the plaster incident in 2008? Well, if Floyd is saying Cotto wasn't the same fighter in 2009, what kind of fighter do you think he was in 2012?

It's a no brainer why the fight was made so quickly in 2012.

[Chollo Vista]

Shane x2, Tito, Pac, Floyd, Hopkins etc... He fought them and he lost. That's a lot of big losses on the grandest stage. You can't talk up his resume and ignore all the big fights he's lost. That's disingenuous.

And Oscar was at 147 long enough to fight Lopez. He came out and said himself that he specifically didn't want to fight him. THAT IS ducking. Oscar ducked Lopez because he was stylistically a nightmare for him. He ducked a rematch with Tito because he was afraid of the man. Mr fearless said he was "too green" for Azumah. Oscar's reputation as a fearless warrior is a lie created by the HBO media machine, just like his clean cut golden boy persona.

Really?

You're counting the Pac loss in 2008? Really? The man was dehydrated and over the hill. Roach himself said he saw the IV tracks.

He was robbed in the 2nd Mosley fight as was the Trinidad fight. DLH chased greatness by fighting Hopkins, something Mayweather would never consider. We couldn't even get Floyd to fight Paul WIlliams let alone Hopkins. And What about all the big fights DLH won? I gave you a whole list.

You said Oscar was never the best in the world, but I showed you P4P and division rankings over the span of 8 years that said otherwise.

Show me some sources of DLH ducking Azumah or Lopez. Don't just say it, prove it.