Comments Thread For: McGregor: There is A lot of Fear in The Boxing Community!

[kafkod]

??? 160 was DOG SHT until Canelo showed up.

Don't be a FKN RTARD.

You're the fucking ****** if you can't see that Canelo turned 160 into dog**** with his catchweights and his lies about fighting GGG next, if he could just have one more interim fight, pretty please Mr Sulaiman sir ...

[kafkod]

He thinks ALL boxers are flat-footed, even those who fight very much on the balls of their feet and far from flat-footed (as we view that term). He'd say Rigo is flat-footed too.

This is the key comment out of everything he has said. Because it shows he has NO idea what boxing entails. He is absolutely clueless. He's going to be so far out of his depth, it will be startling to see.

Connor knows more about boxing than that. He's talking for the benifit of UFC and casual sports fans who DKSAB and will pay $100 for PPV tickets to see him KO Floyd, on the basis of the rubbish he's feeding them.

[BWC]

Oh yea don't get it twisted they are definitely in a downswing. If they sold the UFC today its not likely that they woulda gotten the same money they got.

And like I said I'm bored with this boxing vs MMA talk. I've had it in 20 different threads here & you can dig up my stats & arguments from the past that largely if not completely remain the same. But I know everywhere I go I hear more MMA talk than boxing talk. I hear more MMA guys names get mentioned then boxers names. I see more MMA guys in everything than I see boxers. When I go to a website about sports MMA has the better higher or better spot on the page while boxing is more often found in "other" sports. I know MMA PPV's have outsold boxing PPV's by 50%+ (60Mish to 40Mish) in the last decade & by a even bigger % in the last 3 & 5 year period. I know the UFC is putting on a better product week in, week out than boxing even attempts doing which has more consistent value than boxing as a business model. The presser for MayMac got more hits on the UFC site then any other site. And there are a billion other things going on that I could go dig up & mention that might be of interest or not to you, but you'll disagree with me ultimately whatever I say so whats really the point. We are gonna agree to disagree.



Obviously there are different rulesets. I think & I've heard others say that a somewhat hybrid sport with mostly boxing rules & MMA scoring + gloves would be a more equal middle ground.

I think that'd be highly entertaining as well as KO's are everyone's favorite thing & defense being taken out of the equation more (can't be too defensive with those lil ass MMA gloves nor does defense score points in MMA) would make for more fun fights & the ground fighting that even I as a long time fan of MMA still don't appreciate THAT much. Kicks & elbows could be added on a case by case basis depending on the styles of fighting guys have or haven't had in the past. I've obviously considered this lol & if you've seen me discuss this tired MMA vs boxing topic you'd have surely seen me mention it cuz I think it'd be a highly fan friendly sport.



LOL no they don't. Thats silly brother. Most of the UFC major players ARE boxing fans too. Boxing is a part of MMA. I won't be surprised in the slightest if the UFC adds boxing to its Fight Pass programming in the future (they are supposedly working on or considering a deal with RJJ's MMA league that I'd speculate could lead into them doing a deal with his boxing promotion). Dana White LOVES boxing. Joe Rogan LOVES boxing. Go look up Joe Rogan & boxing on Youtube & you'll find him going into half hour tirades about fights & fighters on his podcast.

There are different audiences with these products + most MMA guys actually have a healthy respect for boxing cuz boxing is a part of MMA. And plenty of these guys didn't have MMA when they were coming up so all their memories of fighting as a kid are boxing oriented. And most MMA fans are of the same ilk. Boxing fans are the cats who are most freaked out by the overlap between boxing & MMA & the people I think would most like to rid the world of MMA not vice versa.

Well I was an MMA fan/practitioner well before I got into boxing. I've even done some amateur MMA fights, which I would never do as a boxer. I consider myself far more knowledgeable in MMA than boxing.

I guess that's maybe why I am very skeptical of the UFC hype. Don't get me wrong, UFC has had it all over boxing in terms of understanding the modern media culture, and have done a great job promoting their product. Far before boxing even tried, UFC was mastering the art of social media and forcing their fighters out into the culture. It really struck me when the UFC did GMA last year before NY. I couldn't imagine a boxer on there if their life depended on it. When was the last time a boxer showed up at the ESPYs or on talk shows like Ronda and Conor did repeatedly?

The media really shapes perceptions, particularly inside its own echo chamber. This phenomenon is of course rampant in politics, but it happens in other areas too. If a few influential voices say, "boxing is dying, UFC is taking over", then it must be true to all media complex. It gets repeated ad nauseum in the media, and thus it must be true. And then the larger culture begins to believe it.

I think UFC did kick boxing out of some complacency and laziness however. PBC pretty blatantly tries to operate like the UFC. But the numbers outside of Ronda and Conor still by in large reflect a secondary combat sport nursing a bad 2016 hangover..

[Johnny2x2x]

He thinks ALL boxers are flat-footed, even those who fight very much on the balls of their feet and far from flat-footed (as we view that term). He'd say Rigo is flat-footed too.

This is the key comment out of everything he has said. Because it shows he has NO idea what boxing entails. He is absolutely clueless. He's going to be so far out of his depth, it will be startling to see.

You ever go to a local Golden Gloves tourney? The thing that is striking that you wouldn't know about unless you watch boxing up close is the sound the ring makes when two fighters are boxing. And the fact you can tell just from the sound the ring makes many times how good the fighters are. The better and more experienced GG fighters move their feet so much more than less experienced guys that the whole gym or arena rumbles when they are competing. As the night goes on and better and better fighters enter the ring, the louder it seems to get.

Hand speed and timing are important, but footwork is the base to be able to get in position to land punches on a good boxer. McGregor is about to find out just how hard footwork is to master, he has no idea and he's going in against the best ever at positioning.

And it sounds like he and his coaches think he can stand back and box with Mayweather. He holds his chin too high, he's going to get KTFO.

[TheBigLug]

He thinks ALL boxers are flat-footed, even those who fight very much on the balls of their feet and far from flat-footed (as we view that term). He'd say Rigo is flat-footed too.

This is the key comment out of everything he has said. Because it shows he has NO idea what boxing entails. He is absolutely clueless. He's going to be so far out of his depth, it will be startling to see.

Yeah he is clearly talking in general.

I agree with you. When i was watching some footage of him boxing and training, it was glaringly obvious he doesn't even have the fundamentals down for boxing and definitely not the right feet and balance.

Just take away the name Conor McGregor and his stardom, can you imagine another guy getting into the ring with Mayweather of all people when you don't even have the most basic fundamentals. It's absolutely ridiculous really.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Best comment I have seen on the Mayweather/McGregor fight was

"Finally we get the question answered : Who is better at boxing? an Elite boxer or someone else?"

One thing I will say about MMA is that they don't duck fights. They fight who Dana tells them to fight. Mayweather wouldn't be undefeated if boxing did the same. Real fighters don't have undefeated records...

[BoxngLove]

I don't fear that Mayweather will lose, honestly I don't think anybody does. What I do fear is the very real prospect that Floyd will be content to just move, clinch and potshot for twelve rounds, and then when thw wide decision result is going to get announced, half the ignoramuses that got suckered into buying the fight will scream that McGregor got robbed, the other half will say that Floyd fought like a little girl and that all boxers are loser cowards, and all of them will proclaim that boxing is dead despite the fact that they've not even seen one minute of another boxing event that whole year. The net result will be a big stink that'll put a dark cloud over the sport in the same manner as Mayweather vs. Pacquaio. That's my only fear for how this whole fight pans out, and sadly the way I see it it's the likeliest outcome.

If you of the belief that a main event involving FMJ is a waste of money raise your hand. I have been watching the sport for 20 years. No thanks to that guy for 75% of his fights e.g Baldomir, Guerrero, Berto, Marquez (this was just a new low.. would not even step on a fight night scale). For the love of God would he just pay his bills and retire??

[Eff Pandas]

Well I was an MMA fan/practitioner well before I got into boxing. I've even done some amateur MMA fights, which I would never do as a boxer. I consider myself far more knowledgeable in MMA than boxing.

I guess that's maybe why I am very skeptical of the UFC hype. Don't get me wrong, UFC has had it all over boxing in terms of understanding the modern media culture, and have done a great job promoting their product. Far before boxing even tried, UFC was mastering the art of social media and forcing their fighters out into the culture. It really struck me when the UFC did GMA last year before NY. I couldn't imagine a boxer on there if their life depended on it. When was the last time a boxer showed up at the ESPYs or on talk shows like Ronda and Conor did repeatedly?

Great points. And this largely happens in MMA & not boxing cuz there is lil vested interest in a fighter by a promoter unless they have massive upside. Meanwhile the UFC tries to make guys as big as they can make them based on their abilities in the cage (sometimes even when they lack abilities in the cage, see CM Punk & arguably people like Sage Northcutt & Paige VanZant). I think for most boxing promoters the juice isn't worth the squeeze for them, but due to how the business models work if Darren Elkins is as big as Darren Elkins can be thats gonna result in a better overall outcome for the UFC & Darren Elkins.

The media really shapes perceptions, particularly inside its own echo chamber. This phenomenon is of course rampant in politics, but it happens in other areas too. If a few influential voices say, "boxing is dying, UFC is taking over", then it must be true to all media complex. It gets repeated ad nauseum in the media, and thus it must be true. And then the larger culture begins to believe it.

In fairness I think boxing fans are uniquely negative or something lol. I think I've been hearing boxing is dying since I started watching boxing. There is almost no one in sports more likely to sh^t on their sport than a boxing fan. Its weird. So while I'm defending MMA on here I more often gotta defend boxing cuz boxing fans has so many haters in its mist. So idk if the larger culture is the problem. I think boxing is saying "we suck" enough, even commentators tell us this fight "isn't very good" or "this fight shouldn't even be happening" & stuff like that. Boxing does the bare minimum to sell itself & sometimes they are like the salesman telling you not to buy the product you were taking your credit card out to buy ffs.

I think UFC did kick boxing out of some complacency and laziness however. PBC pretty blatantly tries to operate like the UFC. But the numbers outside of Ronda and Conor still by in large reflect a secondary combat sport nursing a bad 2016 hangover..

Idk that the PBC is trying to UFC it up enough. Idk that you can really create a UFC-like boxing entity in this sport.

And I think you aren't looking at reality with
I mean just look at the overall PPV trend in combat sports.

As far as this **** measuring of MMA vs boxing I think you are looking at specifics more then overall trends.

The reality is 2016 wasn't even the UFC's best year PPV wise despite everyone trying to make that the narrative cuz of the crazy success of Ronda & Conor at the same time. 2010 was its best year (8.9M/2010 vs 8.6M/2016). And the reality is boxings best PPV year ever was 2015 when they did 6M buys largely off the back of MayPac and probably to be beaten this year via MayMac. And its also reality that the UFC has sold more than 6M PPV's in 7 of the last 9 years.

You can bring up revenue cuz on average boxing PPV's are higher priced, but the reality there is that most of the revenue thats coming in from UFC PPV's goes back into reinvesting into the UFC & MMA while most of the money coming in from boxing PPV's are going into shiny sh^t that fighters are buying to get repo'd in 5 years. Thats why the UFC is able to maintain a stronger product month in & month out, unlike boxing which is a bunch of squirrels trying to get a nut all the time & never working together for the betterment of boxing like the UFC does for the betterment of MMA. Getting into a rant there so /rant

[Fanofreason]

Conor will talk talk talk until Floyd hits him with the first straight lead right. Then Conor will refuse to attack again just like all the other opposition Floyd has fought. Conor will be humiliated to the point MMA fans will hate him.

[cameltoe]

I trust Berto about as far as I can throw him.

As for McGregor, Conor must have a different interpretation of the word "footwork".

Ain't that the truth. Conor's footwork and controlling distance may be effective when you are anticipating kicks, take downs, etc, but it's total overkill for boxing. Wait til May gets him in the pocket and see how good his footwork is.

I really hope we get to see vintage Mayweather in this fight, letting his opponent trap him on the ropes and unload, while they punch in vain at thin air as he rolls the punches. I'd love to see the MMA fans explain that when their boy doesn't touch a glove on him despite being right up in his face against the ropes. I don't think they will even comprehend what's going on.