Comments Thread For: McGregor: There is A lot of Fear in The Boxing Community!

[Scary]

Yea. You know one of the funny things about this fight is I think if Floyd were to lose I think more BOXING fans will be happy it happened then boxing fans upset or sad lol.



Casual boxing fans are important I agree. I mean I think almost everyone here likely was a casual fan before they become a guy posting on a boxing forum on a daily, weekly or whatever basis.

But idk about the "if our king is beheaded" thing is legit. Idk that Floyd is our king anymore since he's been out of the game for 2 years. I think the kingdom of boxing is kingless currently with Canelo & Joshua being the warlords with the most power right now. Sure the old king came come back into the scene & garner massive attention, but Conor McGregor isn't the type of guy a current king fights. At least not in a 147lb or 154lb division with the caliber of guys currently there. This is a circus fight. This is Ali vs Inoki or Lyle Alzado, this is Holmes vs Butterbean, this isn't a serious fight even if Floyd were to lose.



I think the UFC/MMA could maybe pay cats more, but I do think thats a different model than boxing so its not gonna work like boxing does first off. And the thing people like to ignore while saying the UFC should be paying guys more is that the MMA leagues that did pay fighters more went outta business. So without seeing the accounting books idk for a fact that the UFC could pay guys more without potentially going out of business & then no one is getting paid.

And I mean go legit look at the things the UFC does to promote fighters. It makes sense they get paid more then boxing promoters. Boxing promoters barely promote fighters anymore & they virtually never do side programming for non-PPV fights. The UFC does side programming for every single show they put on. They have a reality show where guys make it into the UFC. They got a new show where guys fight on a non-UFC card with Dana White watching & can potentially earn a UFC contract. The UFC has a product & fighters simply being able to say they are a UFC fighter has value for them & have value for them in other leagues if they don't prove able to stay in the UFC.

So its easy to dog them & say they aren't paying people enough, but they do more for fighters than any boxing promoter ever has to build up a fighter (in boxing you gotta do it yourself to get very far most of the time) & the guys who did just throw out money couldn't sustain their own accounting books to still be around.

You are a very good poster in my opinion, and I agree with what you are saying. I like how you phrase it too.

It would just leave a bitter taste in my mouth, if I had to be the one to come up with excuses on why our former king and present face of boxing were to lose to a guy, who would most likely leave boxing behind afterwards. Don't get me wrong, I honestly like Conor more than Floyd, but boxing is my thing. I simply cannot accept, that someone just strolls in with his legs and stomps boxing. It'd be a black eye, to my boxing ego - On all other front, I believe we agree.

[kafkod]

Don't forget about Canelo will NEVER fight GGG and stay at Caneloweight to avoid him.

That's exactly what Canelo did .. till he thought GGG was over the hill.

[Shadoww702]

That's exactly what Canelo did .. till he thought GGG was over the hill.

And didn't GGG say ANYONE from 154-168?? But he MEANT EXACTLY 160... Because he could of went down if he really wanted to. He could of went up to fight Ward if he wanted to. He chose HELL NO!!! I lied.

[BWC]

Yea. You know one of the funny things about this fight is I think if Floyd were to lose I think more BOXING fans will be happy it happened then boxing fans upset or sad lol.



Casual boxing fans are important I agree. I mean I think almost everyone here likely was a casual fan before they become a guy posting on a boxing forum on a daily, weekly or whatever basis.

But idk about the "if our king is beheaded" thing is legit. Idk that Floyd is our king anymore since he's been out of the game for 2 years. I think the kingdom of boxing is kingless currently with Canelo & Joshua being the warlords with the most power right now. Sure the old king came come back into the scene & garner massive attention, but Conor McGregor isn't the type of guy a current king fights. At least not in a 147lb or 154lb division with the caliber of guys currently there. This is a circus fight. This is Ali vs Inoki or Lyle Alzado, this is Holmes vs Butterbean, this isn't a serious fight even if Floyd were to lose.



I think the UFC/MMA could maybe pay cats more, but I do think thats a different model than boxing so its not gonna work like boxing does first off. And the thing people like to ignore while saying the UFC should be paying guys more is that the MMA leagues that did pay fighters more went outta business. So without seeing the accounting books idk for a fact that the UFC could pay guys more without potentially going out of business & then no one is getting paid.

And I mean go legit look at the things the UFC does to promote fighters. It makes sense they get paid more then boxing promoters. Boxing promoters barely promote fighters anymore & they virtually never do side programming for non-PPV fights. The UFC does side programming for every single show they put on. They have a reality show where guys make it into the UFC. They got a new show where guys fight on a non-UFC card with Dana White watching & can potentially earn a UFC contract. The UFC has a product & fighters simply being able to say they are a UFC fighter has value for them & have value for them in other leagues if they don't prove able to stay in the UFC.

So its easy to dog them & say they aren't paying people enough, but they do more for fighters than any boxing promoter ever has to build up a fighter (in boxing you gotta do it yourself to get very far most of the time) & the guys who did just throw out money couldn't sustain their own accounting books to still be around.

I think the UFC just isn't nearly as big and relevant as many of its proponents claim. I think aside from Conor and Rousey (blasted out da game) they are a 250-300K PPV per month company with PBC ratings on FOX. They are hardly this axe-murdering juggernaught about to overun boxing and take center stage. That's the fake news hype, I don't think it really matches reality.

UFC can't afford to pay fighters more or else they would be kaput. Sure the fighters could get a larger share of the pie, but boxing $ is a loooooong ways away for these guys.

This fight has nothing to do with boxing vs MMA. Zero, zip. MMA hardcores would prefer Conor go back and defend his belt. This is about two singular personalities brilliant in creating massive hype. They could fight under Tae Kwon Do rules and it would still be massive.

It will have no lasting effect on either sport. Even in the miracle event Conor destroys Floyd in a spectacular beatdown, Conor will still have to go fight the beasts in boxing right now at 147-154 to have any claim to really have "taken over". Floyd is coming out of retirement for dis lol

[kafkod]

And didn't GGG say ANYONE from 154-168?? But he MEANT EXACTLY 160... Because he could of went down if he really wanted to. He could of went up to fight Ward if he wanted to. He chose HELL NO!!! I lied.

Yeah, he could have gone down .. he could have gone up .. or he could stay in his own division where the biggest fights were for him. He chose the "no brainer" alternative. So what are you bleating about?

[Eff Pandas]

I think the UFC just isn't nearly as big and relevant as many of its proponents claim. I think aside from Conor and Rousey (blasted out da game) they are a 250-300K PPV per month company with PBC ratings on FOX. They are hardly this axe-murdering juggernaught about to overun boxing and take center stage. That's the fake news hype, I don't think it really matches reality.

I'd disagree with that.

UFC can't afford to pay fighters more or else they would be kaput. Sure the fighters could get a larger share of the pie, but boxing $ is a loooooong ways away for these guys.

I think you could be right about the UFC not being able to afford to pay fighters more. But the boxing vs MMA **** measuring is tired talk. These sports have similarities, but there are major differences in how this sports operate. Most notably as I mentioned in how fighters are promoted.

This fight has nothing to do with boxing vs MMA. Zero, zip.

Agree more or less. I mean I know to many cats this fight is MMA vs boxing, but I personally don't see it that way & I don't believe it to be the actual reality.

MMA hardcores would prefer Conor go back and defend his belt.

Yep.

This is about two singular personalities brilliant in creating massive hype. They could fight under Tae Kwon Do rules and it would still be massive.

LOL, but yea I wouldn't agree with that. Chael Sonnen put this fight into context perfectly for me when he said "people don't wanna see who'll win, they wanna see what'll happen". I agree & that "wanna see" angle could be appealed to in various ways including your Tae Kwon Do rules fight.

It will have no lasting effect on either sport. Even in the miracle event Conor destroys Floyd in a spectacular beatdown, Conor will still have to go fight the beasts in boxing right now at 147-154 to have any claim to really have "taken over". Floyd is coming out of retirement for dis lol

Idk that I'd agree with this. I think if Conor were to beat Floyd his MMA career could very well be over & it could very well lead to more "MMA guy vs boxer" type fights in the future.

I'm of the opinion actually right now that more MMA guy vs boxer fights will happen in the future. Maybe 6 mos from now, maybe 2 years from now when there is the next Conor on the scene in the UFC idk, but I feel like this isn't gonna be the first & last time a MMA guy makes his pro debut in a big fight (although in fairness it'd be hard for it to be bigger than this one) & I won't be surprised if we see more James Toney situations either cuz while there is more money in boxing everyone isn't making it & sometimes crossing over pays (look no further than Heather Hardy who just made her MMA debut & claimed to have made more in her first fight then she did in her 20 fight boxing career).

Matter of fact there is a cat named Michael "Venom" Page (purple suit below) who just signed with Ringstar & is looking to make a less crowded audience pro debut before the end of the year. He's 12-0 in MMA & got some attention awhile back for putting a dent in Cyborg's ex-husbands head. I think this stuff with MMA guys in boxing is just starting to get more serious as I don't recall a MMA guy ever even having been picked up by a promoter, let alone a serious promoter.

[BWC]

I'd disagree with that.



I think you could be right about the UFC not being able to afford to pay fighters more. But the boxing vs MMA **** measuring is tired talk. These sports have similarities, but there are major differences in how this sports operate. Most notably as I mentioned in how fighters are promoted.



Agree more or less. I mean I know to many cats this fight is MMA vs boxing, but I personally don't see it that way & I don't believe it to be the actual reality.



Yep.



LOL, but yea I wouldn't agree with that. Chael Sonnen put this fight into context perfectly for me when he said "people don't wanna see who'll win, they wanna see what'll happen". I agree & that "wanna see" angle could be appealed to in various ways including your Tae Kwon Do rules fight.



Idk that I'd agree with this. I think if Conor were to beat Floyd his MMA career could very well be over & it could very well lead to more "MMA guy vs boxer" type fights in the future.

I'm of the opinion actually right now that more MMA guy vs boxer fights will happen in the future. Maybe 6 mos from now, maybe 2 years from now when there is the next Conor on the scene in the UFC idk, but I feel like this isn't gonna be the first & last time a MMA guy makes his pro debut in a big fight (although in fairness it'd be hard for it to be bigger than this one) & I won't be surprised if we see more James Toney situations either cuz while there is more money in boxing everyone isn't making it & sometimes crossing over pays (look no further than Heather Hardy who just made her MMA debut & claimed to have made more in her first fight then she did in her 20 fight boxing career).

Matter of fact there is a cat named Michael "Venom" Page (purple suit below) who just signed with Ringstar & is looking to make a less crowded audience pro debut before the end of the year. He's 12-0 in MMA & got some attention awhile back for putting a dent in Cyborg's ex-husbands head. I think this stuff with MMA guys in boxing is just starting to get more serious as I don't recall a MMA guy ever even having been picked up by a promoter, let alone a serious promoter.

I mean what evidence is there aside from Ronda and Conor that UFC is this massive machine delivering insane numbers. Because I don't see any. I see a company in steep decline after an amazing 2016.

You may see some MMA/Boxing crossover, but the rulesets are so different, any sort of meaningful competition is impossible. What rule-set would make a avg pro boxer and a avg pro-MMA fighter a compelling, evenly-matched contest? You're just talking laughable squash matches on either side of the ledger.

Unless Conor really shows something big here, I think the obvious limitations of boxing/MMA crossover will become too obvious. And make no mistake, UFC wants to obliterate the entire sport of boxing, which will never happen..

[Shadoww702]

Yeah, he could have gone down .. he could have gone up .. or he could stay in his own division where the biggest fights were for him. He chose the "no brainer" alternative. So what are you bleating about?

??? 160 was DOG SHT until Canelo showed up.

Don't be a FKN RTARD.

[Eff Pandas]

I mean what evidence is there aside from Ronda and Conor that UFC is this massive machine delivering insane numbers. Because I don't see any. I see a company in steep decline after an amazing 2016.

Oh yea don't get it twisted they are definitely in a downswing. If they sold the UFC today its not likely that they woulda gotten the same money they got.

And like I said I'm bored with this boxing vs MMA talk. I've had it in 20 different threads here & you can dig up my stats & arguments from the past that largely if not completely remain the same. But I know everywhere I go I hear more MMA talk than boxing talk. I hear more MMA guys names get mentioned then boxers names. I see more MMA guys in everything than I see boxers. When I go to a website about sports MMA has the better higher or better spot on the page while boxing is more often found in "other" sports. I know MMA PPV's have outsold boxing PPV's by 50%+ (60Mish to 40Mish) in the last decade & by a even bigger % in the last 3 & 5 year period. I know the UFC is putting on a better product week in, week out than boxing even attempts doing which has more consistent value than boxing as a business model. The presser for MayMac got more hits on the UFC site then any other site. And there are a billion other things going on that I could go dig up & mention that might be of interest or not to you, but you'll disagree with me ultimately whatever I say so whats really the point. We are gonna agree to disagree.

You may see some MMA/Boxing crossover, but the rulesets are so different, any sort of meaningful competition is impossible. What rule-set would make a avg pro boxer and a avg pro-MMA fighter a compelling, evenly-matched contest? You're just talking laughable squash matches on either side of the ledger.

Obviously there are different rulesets. I think & I've heard others say that a somewhat hybrid sport with mostly boxing rules & MMA scoring + gloves would be a more equal middle ground.

I think that'd be highly entertaining as well as KO's are everyone's favorite thing & defense being taken out of the equation more (can't be too defensive with those lil ass MMA gloves nor does defense score points in MMA) would make for more fun fights & the ground fighting that even I as a long time fan of MMA still don't appreciate THAT much. Kicks & elbows could be added on a case by case basis depending on the styles of fighting guys have or haven't had in the past. I've obviously considered this lol & if you've seen me discuss this tired MMA vs boxing topic you'd have surely seen me mention it cuz I think it'd be a highly fan friendly sport.

And make no mistake, UFC wants to obliterate the entire sport of boxing, which will never happen..

LOL no they don't. Thats silly brother. Most of the UFC major players ARE boxing fans too. Boxing is a part of MMA. I won't be surprised in the slightest if the UFC adds boxing to its Fight Pass programming in the future (they are supposedly working on or considering a deal with RJJ's MMA league that I'd speculate could lead into them doing a deal with his boxing promotion). Dana White LOVES boxing. Joe Rogan LOVES boxing. Go look up Joe Rogan & boxing on Youtube & you'll find him going into half hour tirades about fights & fighters on his podcast.

There are different audiences with these products + most MMA guys actually have a healthy respect for boxing cuz boxing is a part of MMA. And plenty of these guys didn't have MMA when they were coming up so all their memories of fighting as a kid are boxing oriented. And most MMA fans are of the same ilk. Boxing fans are the cats who are most freaked out by the overlap between boxing & MMA & the people I think would most like to rid the world of MMA not vice versa.

[HardSpar]

No, Conner. You've got more chance of winning the Irish lottery than beating Mayweather, and most boxing fans see it in that light. Some might have a little fear, from what I have read, because they see it as a an absolute disaster for boxing if you get lucky (which is what would be necessary for you to win) and beat Mayweather. But, personally, I'd like to see Mayweather eat some humble pie before he retires (for real), so I have no fear of any possible outcome in this fight.

And that flat footed comment was very odd.