Comments Thread For: Arum: Pacquiao Was Overconfident, His Corner Said ****** Things!

[al-Xander]

Just confirms the torch has been passed, albeit unceremoniously.
Cong**** to Horn! You are now uncle Bob's new baby!

[methodcal]

I think Arum felt some kind of way about Manny wanting to fight Khan in Dubai, rather than fight Horn in Australia! So here's the payback for trying to leave the plantation! You get robbed in Australia by Jeff Horn, and if you want a rematch, i'll tell you how much, when, and where! Now "go to your room," and "fix your face!"

Pretty much this.

[champion4ever]

You know what's ******? A promoter that lets his legendary boxer run himself into the ground for an entire decade fighting opponents 15 pounds heavier than him almost every single fight. Even overconfident, if Horn had been the same size as Pacquiao, he would have been KO'd in the 9th round or probably earlier. He never would have been able to take the punches he took. Instead, he finished the fight and had a huge swollen head after the fight, because Pacquiao hit him so hard, but because he had a 15 pound weight advantage in the ring, his mass was able to absorb those shots without getting KO'd.

If Arum is smart, he will not waste another second of Pacquiao's career in the wrong division. They did it for the money but they failed to realize that Pacquiao looks much less spectacular in that division against guys he can't hurt nearly as easily, and when your fighter doesn't look spectacular, he is not going to sell the PPVs he could be selling no matter what division he is in. You are better off with a spectacular boxer at 135 whose name will make WHICHEVER division he fights in into the money division than have an uninspired boxer at 147 just for the sake of fighting in "the money division." Arum has still failed to realize that apparently, and his star boxer's career has paid the price for it for years.

The damage is already done for the last decade. What should have been a decade as spectacular as the first decade of Pacquiao's career was instead somewhat wasted in the wrong division. It could have been truly spectacular if they kept him at 135 where he belongs. But like I said, the past cannot be changed. However, despite splitting training time with senatorial duties and fighting a man much bigger than him, and getting headbutted all night, Pacquiao still showed he has something left.

So long as they don't waste another second with him int he wrong division, Pacquiao's career could have a resurgence. But it has to happen at 135. MOVE PACQUIAO DOWN TO 135 ALREADY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD and make Pacquiao-Linares for the fall, and I think everyone will be shocked by the spectacular performance you will see him put in. Meanwhile let Lomachenko collect the other 135 belts on ESPN, building his name, and Top Rank can have an in-house superfight by the end of next year at 135, Lomachenko vs Pacquiao, possibly even for ALL FOUR BELTS at once assuming Pacquiao can also beat Easter before then and Lomachenko can beat Mikey Garcia. Who wouldn't want to see that? But it's only possible if they stop ruining Pacquiao's career in the wrong division and do what they should have done ages ago and move him down to 135 where his power can actually be effective again against guys his own weight.

It's not Christianity that has been preventing Pacquiao from getting knockouts this whole time. It's boxing in the wrong damn weight division! Move him down to 135 and I guarantee he starts getting KO's again, even at age 38.

You can't be serious. Pacquiao is washed up at damn near 40 years old. He'll get his clocked cleaned at a 135 lbs. He probably be so weight drained that he won't be able to finish the fight on his feet; Let alone make the weight. You are asking him to fight at a division that he hasn't competed in over nine years mainly against fighters more than 10 years his junior. He'll be too slow and weak. He'll be guaranteed of a knockout stoppage loss.

[The Big Dunn]

I believe Al Haymon only gets like 2-3%??? While double dipping Bob takes at LEAST 25% from BOTH his fighters for easily 50% plus of the totals

Yeah. Haymon is paying guys more because he gets a bigger cut of their take since he is the manager. To some that is somehow undermining the fabric of the sport. Funny thing is when they saw the PAC/ horn decision, a number of the same posters felt bob had something to do with it.

ODH and Floyd, guys that broke the old model, are multi millionaires with promotional companies. ask kov and Manny how are they doing.

[mbase1235]

The interesting thing is this.

Errol Spence wins a belt - Brook does not want a rematch at all and no one calls Spence out at the time (Thurman gives a weak call out, then vanishes).

Horn wins a belt - Manny Pacquiao wants an immediate rematch and everyone immediately calls Horn out. Just like everyone was calling Manny out before this fight.

That tells you all you need to know about what the other fighters think of Horn. Everyone here is bashing Arum, but he is who he's always been. Manny should've stopped Horn, just like his team said he would before the fight. Before the fight, Roach said this was the best Manny he's seen in years. Manny said he felt great and more inspired than ever.

This is priceless, you couldn't make this **** up if you tried.

[Bronx2245]

Yeah. It's wrong when boxers get the bulk of the money. It's better when the promoter gets it. Say different and you are a haymon fanboi.

Or a "*****." What's funny, while this thread is running, i'm watching Skip Bayless, who was never a professional athlete, applaud Kevin Durant for taking $9.5 million less money, to keep the Warriors together. His deal also saves the Warriors $20 million in luxury taxes! Shannon Sharpe, 3 x Super Bowl Champion, 8 x Pro Bowl Player, and HOFer, is asking a profound question: "How does a billionaire (Owner) convince a millionaire (Player) to take less money, so that the billionaire makes more money? Also, why are so many fans always on the side of the billionaire?" It made me think of boxing, and why so many fans think Floyd is everything that's wrong with boxing, and Pacquiao is everything that's right with boxing? The LEGEND, Robert Nesta Marley said it best: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds!"

[DblLFThooK]

Arum does not seem
Genuine. The so called relationship he has with Pac seems to be a farse. Pac is just a number. Bob is an old school promoter who seemly cares not about his fighter but what the fighter can do for him financially. He is aboslutely what is wrong with sport.

[Bronx2245]

Yeah. Haymon is paying guys more because he gets a bigger cut of their take since he is the manager. To some that is somehow undermining the fabric of the sport. Funny thing is when they saw the PAC/ horn decision, a number of the same posters felt bob had something to do with it.

ODH and Floyd, guys that broke the old model, are multi millionaires with promotional companies. ask kov and Manny how are they doing.

Even crazy azz Adrien Broner has a champion fighter in his stable, under his own promotional company! How crazy is that?

[Green Hornet]

Arum believes there is more money to be made elsewhere for Pacquiao. He might be right, but sometimes it is not about money for the fighter.

[Dosumpthin]

You know what's ******? A promoter that lets his legendary boxer run himself into the ground for an entire decade fighting opponents 15 pounds heavier than him almost every single fight. Even overconfident, if Horn had been the same size as Pacquiao, he would have been KO'd in the 9th round or probably earlier. He never would have been able to take the punches he took. Instead, he finished the fight and had a huge swollen head after the fight, because Pacquiao hit him so hard, but because he had a 15 pound weight advantage in the ring, his mass was able to absorb those shots without getting KO'd.

If Arum is smart, he will not waste another second of Pacquiao's career in the wrong division. They did it for the money but they failed to realize that Pacquiao looks much less spectacular in that division against guys he can't hurt nearly as easily, and when your fighter doesn't look spectacular, he is not going to sell the PPVs he could be selling no matter what division he is in. You are better off with a spectacular boxer at 135 whose name will make WHICHEVER division he fights in into the money division than have an uninspired boxer at 147 just for the sake of fighting in "the money division." Arum has still failed to realize that apparently, and his star boxer's career has paid the price for it for years.

The damage is already done for the last decade. What should have been a decade as spectacular as the first decade of Pacquiao's career was instead somewhat wasted in the wrong division. It could have been truly spectacular if they kept him at 135 where he belongs. But like I said, the past cannot be changed. However, despite splitting training time with senatorial duties and fighting a man much bigger than him, and getting headbutted all night, Pacquiao still showed he has something left.

So long as they don't waste another second with him int he wrong division, Pacquiao's career could have a resurgence. But it has to happen at 135. MOVE PACQUIAO DOWN TO 135 ALREADY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD and make Pacquiao-Linares for the fall, and I think everyone will be shocked by the spectacular performance you will see him put in. Meanwhile let Lomachenko collect the other 135 belts on ESPN, building his name, and Top Rank can have an in-house superfight by the end of next year at 135, Lomachenko vs Pacquiao, possibly even for ALL FOUR BELTS at once assuming Pacquiao can also beat Easter before then and Lomachenko can beat Mikey Garcia. Who wouldn't want to see that? But it's only possible if they stop ruining Pacquiao's career in the wrong division and do what they should have done ages ago and move him down to 135 where his power can actually be effective again against guys his own weight.

It's not Christianity that has been preventing Pacquiao from getting knockouts this whole time. It's boxing in the wrong damn weight division! Move him down to 135 and I guarantee he starts getting KO's again, even at age 38.

Weight divisions were never a problem Pacquiao until stringent drug testing came along.

Its what made Pacquiao a legend remember? 8 divisions?

Face it. Slow start to his career losing in smaller divisions. Uses PEDS becomes a new unstoppable fighter for 3-4 years while moving up. Su****ions are raised then he ducks testing.
Eventually stopped using. Sharp decline in physical ability.

Typical PED career of any athelete that stops using.