Comments Thread For: Whyte: Deontay Wilder 'An Embarrassement to Heavyweight Boxing'

[Randall Cunning]

he's unbeaten and wouldn't mind him getting a shot at the strap ( I know he's fighting Parker In Sept ) maybe after it becomes a unification and it'd be a fight to see if Hughie belongs among the top 5 HW

And I'm a fan of Hughie and Wilder so Id be interested in how it played out.

Theres rumours Fury/Parker is gunna be on Sky, if it was on Boxnation and Fury won Id think there would be a chance of him looking to unify with Wilder. But seems he may go after the Matchroom heavyweights if he wins.

[Raggamuffin]

Joshua has no choice, that is generally what mandatory means. And no, unification does not trump mandatory when the governing body involved have clearly outlined that no unifications can happen prior to the Pulev fight. Let's not let facts get in the way of your rhetoric though eh?

It's like you all want to totally ignore that Joshua has contractual obligations and thus a Wilder fight cannot happen right now. Feel free to bring up Hearn protecting Joshua from Wilder if there comes a time when Joshua has nothing in his way stopping him from making a Wilder fight but chooses not to... until then you're just being fanboys.

So if they have clearly outlined that no unifications can happen prior to the Pulev fight then why is Wilder catching **** from the Brits when he has a mandatory in Stiverne? People are saying that Wilder has ducked Whyte. Don't you find that hilarious? Different organization huh? Wilder has Don King climbing all over his back. You know he wants Stiverne to get his rematch. Wilder and Joshua...all they have to do is agree in principle.

And Unification doesn't trump mandatory? Please. If Joshua wants it to it can. Joshua can always offer step aside money and come back to his mandatory. He just asked for an exemption to possibly fight Wlad in a rematch and was granted one.

If Wlad doesn't do the rematch he can ask for an exemption and do a unification fight. Wilder will have to do the same.

And if both are obligated to do their mandatories, then where does Whyte fit in again? Is it Wilder turned down Whyte or is Wilder obligated to HIS mandatory?

[R_Walken]

Theres rumours Fury/Parker is gunna be on Sky, if it was on Boxnation and Fury won Id think there would be a chance of him looking to unify with Wilder. But seems he may go after the Matchroom heavyweights if he wins.

Cool

Whatever gets Hughie some decents James to prove his worth and big paycheques I'm down with

[joseph5620]

I'm going to repeat the question. Name another WBC world title holder who has not faced a single world class opponent in his 3 year reign. Heck, if we're going to cut Wilder some slack, lets call Spzilka world class (lol), name me 10 other WBC title holders (any division) with 3 or more years as champ and just one, lower tier, world class name.

It should be really easy. I'm giving you 10 world champs to play with.

I can easily list 10 WBC champs worse than Wilder.

Bruce Seldon

Billy Backus

Leon Spinks

Wanheng Menayothin

Hacine Cherifi

Saensak Muangsurin

Dave Hilton, Jr.

Keith Mullings

Javier Castillejo

Luis Santana

That's just 10 that you asked for. I can list a lot more than that.

Explain how these fighter enhance the "great history" of the WBC that you speak of. Or how they are better than Wilder.

Don't bother asking me about world class opponents until you learn the definition of what a world class opponent is.

[Deus]

So if they have clearly outlined that no unifications can happen prior to the Pulev fight then why is Wilder catching **** from the Brits when he has a mandatory in Stiverne? [1] People are saying that Wilder has ducked Whyte. Don't you find that hilarious? Different organization huh? Wilder has Don King climbing all over his back. You know he wants Stiverne to get his rematch. Wilder and Joshua...all they have to do is agree in principle.

And Unification doesn't trump mandatory? Please. If Joshua wants it to it can [2]. Joshua can always offer step aside money and come back to his mandatory. He just asked for an exemption to possibly fight Wlad in a rematch and was granted one.

If Wlad doesn't do the rematch he can ask for an exemption and do a unification fight. [3] Wilder will have to do the same.

And if both are obligated to do their mandatories, then where does Whyte fit in again? [4] Is it Wilder turned down Whyte or is Wilder obligated to HIS mandatory?

[1] Because apparently the WBC aren't against Wilder fighting Whyte for the kind of money they're talking as that means more money for the WBC. That's according to Hearn, so I'm not going to claim it's correct or incorrect, it's just the argument used at the moment.

[2] Please indeed:

3. After the rematch the IBF will not consider a request for unification from the winner.

4. There shall be no further exceptions considered by the IBF regarding Anthony Joshua, or Wladimir Klitschko should he win the bout, prior to the completion of the mandatory bout with Kubrat Pulev.

- http://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-kl...-order--117344

Joshua already been granted 1 exception with the IBF to fight the Klitschko rematch... the IBF have made it pretty clear in writing that there will be no other exceptions of any kind.

[3] No he cannot. It is clearly written down by the IBF as to what they will allow and Joshua fighting Wilder before Pulev will not be allowed. To claim that 'they can work it out' when the IBF have explicitly stated their ruling with regards to Joshua is just factually incorrect, especially when the IBF are very much against step aside deals.

[4] Again, this rhetoric is based off of the notion that Hearn has said that the WBC are open to Wilder facing Whyte prior to Stiverne. Once again i'm not going to claim that is correct because I have no way of knowing whether Hearn is lying or telling the truth. But even then, the likelihood is that Joshua has 2 fights lined up (Klitschko and then Pulev) whereas Wilder just has to beat Stiverne again, thus there would be time prior to the Joshua fight for Wilder to face Whyte.

[Gate keeper]

Gotta disagree, I think Whyte would be the best fighter on Wilder's resume and that includes Stiverne when Wilder fought him. And they couldn't pay Whyte off like Wilder's other opponents. That's obviously why they won't fight him for 3 mil. Had Duhapaus or Molina challenged him for 3 - 4 mil, they'd be all over it.

[vitali1999]

Doesn't matter who you prefer, matters who wilder prefers and based on his resume it's not either of these guys. He'll fight the lowest ranked guy he can, as usual. He doesn't care who you want him to fight

[Raggamuffin]

[1] Because apparently the WBC aren't against Wilder fighting Whyte for the kind of money they're talking as that means more money for the WBC. That's according to Hearn, so I'm not going to claim it's correct or incorrect, it's just the argument used at the moment.

[2] Please indeed:


- http://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-kl...-order--117344

Joshua already been granted 1 exception with the IBF to fight the Klitschko rematch... the IBF have made it pretty clear in writing that there will be no other exceptions of any kind.

[3] No he cannot. It is clearly written down by the IBF as to what they will allow and Joshua fighting Wilder before Pulev will not be allowed. To claim that 'they can work it out' when the IBF have explicitly stated their ruling with regards to Joshua is just factually incorrect, especially when the IBF are very much against step aside deals.

[4] Again, this rhetoric is based off of the notion that Hearn has said that the WBC are open to Wilder facing Whyte prior to Stiverne. Once again i'm not going to claim that is correct because I have no way of knowing whether Hearn is lying or telling the truth. But even then, the likelihood is that Joshua has 2 fights lined up (Klitschko and then Pulev) whereas Wilder just has to beat Stiverne again, thus there would be time prior to the Joshua fight for Wilder to face Whyte.

I'll tell you what. After you get the correct rhetoric from Hearn and his clarity between the WBC, Hearn, Whyte and Don King, get back to me. Because Don King has made it clear that he will step in the way of any fight before Stiverne so why would rhetoric based on Hearn matter in his case? If Wilder decides to fight Whyte or anyone I'm all for it even if it's in the UK.

Does Hearn want Whyte want to fight him before or after his mandatory?

And why does Wilder even have to entertain Whyte at all who is no higher than 5 in the WBC?

Whyte isn't a mandatory. Wilder isn't auditioning for a fight with Joshua. Wilder has a trinket just like Joshua.

Now you said that's according to Hearn and then say that you don't know if it's correct or incorrect. Lets stick to what's out there and correct. And you need to realize this. Wilder does NOT have to fight Whyte.

And let me add this as a side note and this is my opinion which doesn't have to be responded to. But if you do, eh so be it.

I'm against the Joshua fight because he's a crap fighter, he has beaten nobody to even become a mandatory as you can see his last 4 fights, and that I think that Joshua doesn't want to face Wilder until he has absolutely no choice but to fight the man.

Wlad flattened Pulev which showed us that Pulev won't ever beat any elite fighter. Yeah yeah yeah that's why they fight the fight. But that's my opinion. Pulev isn't the pull off the upset kinda guy. He doesn't have those type of skills.

[maguirre]

I'm confused about the reluctance. What am I missing?

[Sir_Didymus]

Three of the biggest bum beaters in the game are Kell Brook, GGG and Wilder.

All three of them made their name off fighting bums and are obviously trying to cash out without having done much in their own division with the exception of GGG who has beaten most in his division to claim all those belts but even he wasn't really tested till Jacobs came along.

Brook is a huge fraud and his resume speaks for itself (trilogies against former journeyman gypsy lightweights like Ernie Smith RIP) and we all saw how he gets exposed every time he steps to competition that is equal or higher in ability.

Wilder has fought nobody of note. Even Stiverne is way short of being a top quality opponent.

GGG has stepped up once to face a quality boxer and mover in his own weight class and was almost beaten by Jacobs. Now we'll get to see a real test when he faces Canelo.

Still remains true that the biggest bum beaters padding their resumes with bums waiting on that undeserved huge payday against Khan, Joshua and Canelo are Brook, Wilder and GGG.