Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

[robertzimmerman]

That wasn't close to a prime Hopkins that Roy fought the first time. That was a young in the ring, green, still a bit unrefined, and moved around the ring like he had a peg leg Hopkins. He had a tough fight with Mercado a few fights after he lost to Roy. That wasn't a prime or top level Hopkins. Hopkins started reaching next level form by the time of the rematch with Mercado. He was 30 at that time, and that was about two years after the Roy fight if I recall correctly. The Hopkins from that point, through to the Hopkins that beat Trinidad was probably the most dangerous, when you pair the athleticism that he had with his boxing style and technique. In my opinion, he had already started losing some of his quickness and athleticism by the Trinidad fight. Roy was never knocking Hopkins out. Roy can make the injured hand excuse or whatever, but Hopkins was walking through flush shots to the head and body repeatedly with no problem. I think Roy would of had a very tough fight if they had of rematched at 168 when Hopkins was between the ages of 32-37. By no means would a Jones Jr victory have been guaranteed.

I'd have favoured Roy heavily in a C-W in 2002. Bernard showed everyone just how confident he was when he turned down $6m and then spent a year out of the ring.

[Chollo Vista]

I remember prime Floyd getting his nose busted up by Emmanuel Augustus.

I remember prime Floyd getting rocked several times by chop chop Corely

Prime Floyd arguably lost to DLH and Castillo

I don't remember prime Roy having those problems

[Chollo Vista]

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[jay543]

Roy Jones Jr. in his prime is arguably the most dominant boxer of all time. Floyd's good but he was never that good.

A much better discussion is prime Roy Jones Jr. vs prime Mike Tyson

[Elroy The Great]

may.

had less power and still made people look like fools.

people knew rjj had power and fought him cautiously.

[Elroy The Great]

Roy Jones Jr. in his prime is arguably the most dominant boxer of all time. Floyd's good but he was never that good.

A much better discussion is prime Roy Jones Jr. vs prime Mike Tyson

mike tyson ?!?!?!?

nah, not gonna stir the pot

[jay543]

mike tyson ?!?!?!?

nah, not gonna stir the pot

I guess I answered a different question.

I was looking at a fighter's dominance in their prime not their total resume and career.

Still Roy beats Floyd if you don't count Roy's downfall.

If you do count old Roy Jones Jr. and average that with his prime, then maybe Floyd's better because Floyd aged better?

But what's the fun in that?

[Elroy The Great]

I guess I answered a different question.

I was looking at a fighter's dominance in their prime not their total resume and career.

Still Roy beats Floyd if you don't count Roy's downfall.

If you do count old Roy Jones Jr. and average that with his prime, then maybe Floyd's better because Floyd aged better?

But what's the fun in that?

if a person continues to sully their resumes, then, we should judge the entirety of it. thats why they fight on. for their ''legacy''

its a very odd way of judging may. ww may is not prime may (even though he was still the best). may at his best was below ww. when may usually ended his fights inside of 12.

i keep mentioning, regardless of div/era, its very easy to look dominant when youre ''fighting'' a certain level of opponent. rjj, for a big chunk of his career, wasnt really testing himself.

rjj may have been the most athletically gifted boxer of all time but imho may is above him.

[Chollo Vista]

Ezzard Charles lost 25 fights. Lost 15 of his last 18 or 19 fights. Guess what? It doesn't matter.

Nor should it for Jones

DLH, Tyson, Ali, SRL, Duran, etc.. All fought past their primes. No one cares because what counts is what they did in their primes.

In Floyd's prime he got busted up by Augustus, Castillo and Chop Chop.

Roy never had those problems

[SweetPbfAli]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Mayweather busted and bruised in his prime against Emmanuel Augustus?

I don't recall prime Roy Jones having those problems

Seems you made this thread with your mind already made up. I noticed whenever someone argues in favor of Floyd, you issue a rebuttal.

Roy had issues with Montell before he turned the tide but then punched him while down out of frustration.

Roy was more of a once a generation talent than Floyd and his best win/s are better than Floyd but Floyd has a career of sustained excellence which is unrivaled by his peers. Also, I think Hopkins peaked late and wasn't prime when Roy fought him.

I noticed you mention Corrales being weight drained but nothing about Toney's well known issues making weight. Remove the bias.