Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Chollo Vista
    Banned
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Nov 2012
    • 10801
    • 1,428
    • 1,024
    • 154,684

    #211
    Originally posted by A-Wolf


    That was a "young" Hopkins. Definitely not a "prime" Hopkins.
    Come on man.

    Look at that version of Hopkins and tell me what that version of Hopkins did differently than whatever prime version of Hopkins you're talking about.

    The Hopkins that fought Roy made the same moves that old Hopkins makes, but instead the younger version was more powerful and faster.

    The only thing old Hopkins could possibly do to Roy is headbutt and foul him. Young prime Hopkins stood the best chance. Post 2001 Hopkins vs a healthy Roy with 2 hands gets knocked out the ring Joe Smith style

    Comment

    • Metho_4u
      Undisputed Champion
      Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
      • Mar 2013
      • 7357
      • 211
      • 467
      • 18,920

      #212
      People consider the DLH fight close? I didn't find it close at all.

      Comment

      • The Akbar One
        Undisputed Champion
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Jun 2007
        • 1151
        • 61
        • 75
        • 10,010

        #213
        The young, green, Roy Jones Jr. who fought at 154 a couple times, would have whooped the best Floyd. Two big, too fast, to strong, too powerful. He would have blew Floyd out of the water at 154.

        Comment

        • Chollo Vista
          Banned
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Nov 2012
          • 10801
          • 1,428
          • 1,024
          • 154,684

          #214
          Originally posted by The Akbar One
          The young, green, Roy Jones Jr. who fought at 154 a couple times, would have whooped the best Floyd. Two big, too fast, to strong, too powerful. He would have blew Floyd out of the water at 154.
          Without a doubt

          Comment

          • IMDAZED
            Fair but Firm
            Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
            • May 2006
            • 42644
            • 1,134
            • 1,770
            • 67,152

            #215
            Originally posted by djtmal
            Not when its 2 guys in their prime
            Not in any scenario

            Comment

            • GrandmasterWang
              Undisputed Champion
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Jun 2017
              • 2073
              • 131
              • 89
              • 39,916

              #216
              I got RJJ.

              Amazing in his prime and went up and won a heavyweight championship

              Comment

              • A-Wolf
                This One Can See
                Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                • Nov 2011
                • 6759
                • 265
                • 337
                • 61,371

                #217
                Originally posted by Chollo Vista
                Come on man.

                Look at that version of Hopkins and tell me what that version of Hopkins did differently than whatever prime version of Hopkins you're talking about.

                The Hopkins that fought Roy made the same moves that old Hopkins makes, but instead the younger version was more powerful and faster.

                The only thing old Hopkins could possibly do to Roy is headbutt and foul him. Young prime Hopkins stood the best chance. Post 2001 Hopkins vs a healthy Roy with 2 hands gets knocked out the ring Joe Smith style
                My man, I've watched every Hopkins fight put on film. All the way back to when he was a wannabe Mike Tyson. I made two full length highlights back in the early days of Youtube. The Hopkins that annihilated Trinidad, Tarver and Pavlik was infinitely craftier than the guy who got eaten up by Roy Jones. In Bernard's own words he was "green" at that point in his career. He peaked in his late 30's and early 40's. Sorry but not everything in life and nature is linear or generic. If you can't see his evolution not only are you mistaken; you're missing out.

                Comment

                • Chollo Vista
                  Banned
                  Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 10801
                  • 1,428
                  • 1,024
                  • 154,684

                  #218
                  Originally posted by A-Wolf
                  My man, I've watched every Hopkins fight put on film. All the way back to when he was a wannabe Mike Tyson. I made two full length highlights back in the early days of Youtube. The Hopkins that annihilated Trinidad, Tarver and Pavlik was infinitely craftier than the guy who got eaten up by Roy Jones. In Bernard's own words he was "green" at that point in his career. He peaked in his late 30's and early 40's. Sorry but not everything in life and nature is linear or generic. If you can't see his evolution not only are you mistaken; you're missing out.
                  I've heard many excuses from Hopkins after many of his losses. So I take his excuses with a grain of salt.

                  I've watched all Hopkins fights as well. And what I see in the 1st Jones fight was an iron chinned, tight defense, crafty Hopkins with his timing, speed and power in tact. Only problem is he was in with prime RJJ. Anyone else across the ring he beats, including a Tito Trinidad coming up from 154.

                  And to be honest with you, I don't think it's fair to RJJ or saying much by using a victory over Tarver, Trinidad and Pavlik as justification to why Hopkins wasn't prime against RJJ. none of those guys were in Roy's league stylistically.

                  But if you are using the Pavlik and Tarver victories as prime then are you saying Taylor and Calzaghe beat prime Hopkins?

                  Comment

                  • The Akbar One
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 1151
                    • 61
                    • 75
                    • 10,010

                    #219
                    Originally posted by Chollo Vista
                    I've heard many excuses from Hopkins after many of his losses. So I take his excuses with a grain of salt.

                    I've watched all Hopkins fights as well. And what I see in the 1st Jones fight was an iron chinned, tight defense, crafty Hopkins with his timing, speed and power in tact. Only problem is he was in with prime RJJ. Anyone else across the ring he beats, including a Tito Trinidad coming up from 154.

                    And to be honest with you, I don't think it's fair to RJJ or saying much by using a victory over Tarver, Trinidad and Pavlik as justification to why Hopkins wasn't prime against RJJ. none of those guys were in Roy's league stylistically.

                    But if you are using the Pavlik and Tarver victories as prime then are you saying Taylor and Calzaghe beat prime Hopkins?
                    That wasn't close to a prime Hopkins that Roy fought the first time. That was a young in the ring, green, still a bit unrefined, and moved around the ring like he had a peg leg Hopkins. He had a tough fight with Mercado a few fights after he lost to Roy. That wasn't a prime or top level Hopkins. Hopkins started reaching next level form by the time of the rematch with Mercado. He was 30 at that time, and that was about two years after the Roy fight if I recall correctly. The Hopkins from that point, through to the Hopkins that beat Trinidad was probably the most dangerous, when you pair the athleticism that he had with his boxing style and technique. In my opinion, he had already started losing some of his quickness and athleticism by the Trinidad fight. Roy was never knocking Hopkins out. Roy can make the injured hand excuse or whatever, but Hopkins was walking through flush shots to the head and body repeatedly with no problem. I think Roy would of had a very tough fight if they had of rematched at 168 when Hopkins was between the ages of 32-37. By no means would a Jones Jr victory have been guaranteed.

                    Comment

                    • champion4ever
                      Undisputed Champion
                      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 23461
                      • 3,931
                      • 6,770
                      • 202,915,785

                      #220
                      I'm not going to lie. The more fundamentally sound of the two was Floyd Mayweather, Jr. However, the more exciting and crowd pleasing of the two was hands down Roy Jones, Jr. He often defied the laws of gravity while in that squared circle.

                      While Floyd was good at making the other guy miss, Roy was good at making the other guy pay. If the two were ever in the same weight class, division or the same size; He would have stomped kicked the living shid out of Floyd H2H and P4P.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP