Hagler: Not That Good

[McNulty]

I have being following boxing since the 60's, never heard Hagler ducking mcallum, actually the Jamaican never mentioned Hagler while he was active, And I knew mcallum when he was an amateur, he loss to Andres Aldama 4 times, 3 by KO. A shame the Cuban never turn pro.

Because there was hardly any media outlets back then. If you missed the broadcast of Leonard and Pryor you wouldn't know Leonard left the division to get away from Aaron either. When I was a kid the boxing magazines were 2-3+ months behind current events and they didn't print everything, you know that!

You mean you "met" McCallum when you were an amateur or saw him at some shows you fought at? Did you have his phone number, were you his friend? Probably not so no, you don't know jack.

back then there's was no ducking. The best fought the best...

Sure they did! They kind of validates your generation as the best right? You know who fought who? Whoever Arum wanted whoever to fight got the fight. Arum controlled the scene. If the best fought the best, how come Hagler fought so many bums on his way to the top? Thought so!

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I told you my point you dang dummy. Have you been shot in the head? Because Hagler was fighting tons of scrubs and he wasn't making millions fighting scrubs.

If one can hardly not find a source, why aren't you fcuking posting them you twit? The middleweight division was shiht because I say it was.

Scypion was a bum, losing to Leroy Lester right after Hagler who was 10-3 for fcuks sake.

Hamsho, bum that lost to Lalonde --- I mean you can't make this stuff up!

Lee, bumskeet lol.

Sibson, a UK bum that only fought bums inside the UK.

Roldan, small (5'8") Argentinean bum that fought in Argentina 95% of his fights against no names and when he stepped up he always got smashed the fcuk down. BUM!

Minter, UK bum. Only guys he beat (Griffith) was at the end of his career, literally last fight.

Antuofermo was the size of a small welterweight (5'7" @ 69") and looked like he was on juice --- mad zits all over his shoulders and back and the only real names besides Hagler he fought was Minter (bum) and Briscoe (another bum). Vito was a bum!

Look at him fight, he looks like an novice class amateur --- club fighter at best fighting at the dog track. Try putting in this query in on YouTube and see how many hits you get: Antuofermo Highlights. ZERO FCUKING HITS. I wonder why? Maybe he was a bum? If you think Vito was anything, you're a lunatic.

If you took every fight you've seen and multiplied it by 100 you've probably still seen a few thousand less fights than I have.

When Hagler was padding his record he wasn't making jack and didn't make million dollar purses until he fought Hamsho in 81' (Hagler was at 52-2 then) --- lets not forget he retired a few years later so like a fcuking said he didn't make jack for most of his career. Especially during the "avoided" years.

I love being red, that means I know what I'm talking about cuz the board is filled with 95% dummies. There has been a lot of pro's and champions that have come through here and they get called idiots and don't know what they're talking about.

See, you just don't know your facts. Hagler was making millions of dollars while middleweight champion. He was the middleweight champion since before McCallum even turned pro!

It's hilarious, you don't know anything about the era but because you saw a **** interview of a butt hurt McCallum you somehow think you know everything LMFAO!!

All of your points are meaningless and incorrect. Those were good fighters, you just sit in your mom's basement and read boxrec for a living.

Lmao no, it means your a ****ing TROLL!!! "peeleft:

[garfios]

Because there was hardly any media outlets back then. If you missed the broadcast of Leonard and Pryor you wouldn't know Leonard left the division to get away from Aaron either. When I was a kid the boxing magazines were 2-3+ months behind current events and they didn't print everything, you know that!

You mean you "met" McCallum when you were an amateur or saw him at some shows you fought at? Did you have his phone number, were you his friend? Probably not so no, you don't know jack.



Sure they did! They kind of validates your generation as the best right? You know who fought who? Whoever Arum wanted whoever to fight got the fight. Arum controlled the scene. If the best fought the best, how come Hagler fought so many bums on his way to the top? Thought so!

I'm not his friend but what you claiming is not true. Back them it was talk about pryor vs leonard but the hawk was a jww, ray was a full fledged ww by his 5th or 6 fight. pryor was a face first brawler with a cheating corner. And if you are reading about mcallum and you like triangle theories. Aldama beat up on the jamaican, leonard against the Cuban, back when amaterus didn't use head gear. Seems to me that you really think Hagler was a bum, I don't know why, and that mike would have whoop his ass. Let me remind you that kalambey schooled you boy on his first attempt at the MW crown.

[McNulty]

I'm not his friend but what you claiming is not true. Back them it was talk about pryor vs leonard but the hawk was a jww, ray was a full fledged ww by his 5th or 6 fight. pryor was a face first brawler with a cheating corner. And if you are reading about mcallum and you like triangle theories. Aldama beat up on the jamaican, leonard against the Cuban, back when amaterus didn't use head gear. Seems to me that you really think Hagler was a bum, I don't know why, and that mike would have whoop his ass. Let me remind you that kalambey schooled you boy on his first attempt at the MW crown.

Losing to Kalambay who was a great fighter is much better than losing to Monroe or Watts.

McCallum ruined Jackson's career (who I was a big fan of back then). Julian destroyed a few careers (Terry Norris who was phenomenal) himself unlike anybody Hagler ever faced that was in an agreeable weight.

Who's talking about the Am's? Not relevant imo.

I don't think Hagler was a bum, I just think he's not as good as most people would have you believe. He's a B+ level fighter that built a name off smaller guys coming up very much like Winky Wright did.

I watched a lot of McCallum's fights and seen him sparring with Hearns at Kronk. Great fighter!

See, you just don't know your facts. Hagler was making millions of dollars while middleweight champion. He was the middleweight champion since before McCallum even turned pro!

It's hilarious, you don't know anything about the era but because you saw a **** interview of a butt hurt McCallum you somehow think you know everything LMFAO!!

All of your points are meaningless and incorrect. Those were good fighters, you just sit in your mom's basement and read boxrec for a living.

Lmao no, it means your a ****ing TROLL!!! "peeleft:

Hagler didn't make a million dollar purse until he fought Hamso @
52-2 in 81'. Marvin was champ in 79' and had 7 fights while champ and not making million dollar purses, wrong again! This is too easy and sorta sad lol. I feel like Ray Mercer vs Morrison right now. Hagler retired at 62-3 in 87' and that's the facts jack --- do some research.

Those guys were bums, go watch them because you probably never did anyway. Imagine someone like Pavlik circa 07' getting a hold of a 5'7" Vito @ 160. Brutal knockout looking like Tyson vs Berbick. Vito was a 2-bit midget BUM!

If you think they're good fighters, you should probably stop with boxing all together because you're like some weirdo fanboy quoting mythos thinking you're actually part of something that you're not.

I grew up in that era, watching all these fights live. Polly needs to stop and get herself a cracker.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Hagler didn't make a million dollar purse until he fought Hamso @
52-2 in 81'. Marvin was champ in 79' and had 7 fights while champ and not making million dollar purses, wrong again! This is too easy and sorta sad lol. I feel like Ray Mercer vs Morrison right now. Hagler retired at 62-3 in 87' and that's the facts jack --- do some research.

Those guys were bums, go watch them because you probably never did anyway. Imagine someone like Pavlik circa 07' getting a hold of a 5'7" Vito @ 160. Brutal knockout looking like Tyson vs Berbick. Vito was a 2-bit midget BUM!

If you think they're good fighters, you should probably stop with boxing all together because you're like some weirdo fanboy quoting mythos thinking you're actually part of something that you're not.

I grew up in that era, watching all these fights live. Polly needs to stop and get herself a cracker.

You just proved yourself wrong. Hagler was making millions as far back as '81. When did McCallum turn pro again??? 81!!

He was clearly not making chump change while champion as you so claim.

Pavlik was struggling with guys like Jermain Taylor.

This argument has gone on long enough. Your a blatant liar and the facts speak for themselves. If you want to live in la la land where your false version of events are true then go ahead. Clearly I nor anyone can stop you.

But like I said, there's a reason your red."peeleft:

[McNulty]

You just proved yourself wrong. Hagler was making millions as far back as '81. When did McCallum turn pro again??? 81!!

He was clearly not making chump change while champion as you so claim.

Pavlik was struggling with guys like Jermain Taylor.

This argument has gone on long enough. Your a blatant liar and the facts speak for themselves. If you want to live in la la land where your false version of events are true then go ahead. Clearly I nor anyone can stop you.

But like I said, there's a reason your red."peeleft:

Just as I said, Hagler was making shiht while he was champion from 79'-81' which was 7 fights and made shiht up until then which was 50+ fights you dummy! All of which was in reference to Hagler so called being avoided and like I fcuking said before, if he was being "avoided" then why not move into another class and get a big money fight. WHAT IS YOUR MALFUNCTION!!!???

Who gives a shiht when McCallum turned pro? He was hot and ready to push Haglers shiht in and he would have. Jermain Taylor was a dam good fighter and would have knocked out Hamsho, Vito the Midget or any other of those bumskeets.

You're a bum so I get why you feel obligated to stick up for bums. They're your people, I get it!

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Just as I said, Hagler was making shiht while he was champion from 79'-81' which was 7 fights and made shiht up until then which was 50+ fights you dummy! All of which was in reference to Hagler so called being avoided and like I fcuking said before, if he was being "avoided" then why not move into another class and get a big money fight. WHAT IS YOUR MALFUNCTION!!!???

Who gives a shiht when McCallum turned pro? He was hot and ready to push Haglers shiht in and he would have. Jermain Taylor was a dam good fighter and would have knocked out Hamsho, Vito the Midget or any other of those bumskeets.

You're a bum so I get why you feel obligated to stick up for bums. They're your people, I get it!

Do you even know how much Hagler was making? **** no.

Your point was that Hagler was making whack paydays and a fight with McCallum would have boosted his pay. I proved this to be incredibly false. NOBODY was asking to see that fight.

Where was Hagler going to go, 175? He wasn't a big 160 lbr to begin with! The man is like 5'7 or 5'8!! He wanted the title at Middleweight and didn't give up until he got it. Only a p*ssy avoids a division just to win a title.

Did Gennady Golovkin duck Jermell Charlo? By your logic yes because they are a 154 lbr who held a world title.

You are logic is pure hypocrisy. You detract from Hagler's legacy because he didn't fight 154 lbrs but they when Mugabi, Antuofermo, and Hearns are brought up you say "Oh, Oh, well uh they were too small blah blah blah".

You're an idiot, as indicated by the red, and you have a hard on for Mike McCallum.

[McNulty]

Do you even know how much Hagler was making? **** no.

Your point was that Hagler was making whack paydays and a fight with McCallum would have boosted his pay. I proved this to be incredibly false. NOBODY was asking to see that fight.

Where was Hagler going to go, 175? He wasn't a big 160 lbr to begin with! The man is like 5'7 or 5'8!! He wanted the title at Middleweight and didn't give up until he got it. Only a p*ssy avoids a division just to win a title.

Did Gennady Golovkin duck Jermell Charlo? By your logic yes because they are a 154 lbr who held a world title.

You are logic is pure hypocrisy. You detract from Hagler's legacy because he didn't fight 154 lbrs but they when Mugabi, Antuofermo, and Hearns are brought up you say "Oh, Oh, well uh they were too small blah blah blah".

You're an idiot, as indicated by the red, and you have a hard on for Mike McCallum.

I never said he should have fought McCallum to make more money. I'm talking about something else completely you fcuking ******. You're having a meltdown because of your inadequacy. Watching a grown-man break --- nothing like it. Keep the show going man --- you're losing control making up shiht now.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I never said he should have fought McCallum to make more money.

Really now?

move the fcuk up or down in weight to get that paper or fight someone like McCallum

I'm talking about something else completely you fcuking ******. You're having a meltdown because of your inadequacy. Watching a grown-man break --- nothing like it. Keep the show going man --- you're losing control making up shiht now.

Wittle baby gonna cwy??

[garfios]

You just proved yourself wrong. Hagler was making millions as far back as '81. When did McCallum turn pro again??? 81!!

He was clearly not making chump change while champion as you so claim.

Pavlik was struggling with guys like Jermain Taylor.

This argument has gone on long enough. Your a blatant liar and the facts speak for themselves. If you want to live in la la land where your false version of events are true then go ahead. Clearly I nor anyone can stop you.

But like I said, there's a reason your red."peeleft:

This guy is delusional, I have come across some fighters that I didn't like, but if they were good, I'll admired they work even thought I'd have being rooting for their adversary. Mccallum was a great fighter just like Hagler in different times. Kalambay was good too, not in Hagler's level, imo. Hagler was robbed in his first fight against Monroe, that is why he left the judges out of it the second time. And you are right the discussion has linger for too long