Hagler: Not That Good

[Mr.MojoRisin']

This guy is delusional, I have come across some fighters that I didn't like, but if they were good, I'll admired they work even thought I'd have being rooting for their adversary. Mccallum was a great fighter just like Hagler in different times. Kalambay was good too, not in Hagler's level, imo. Hagler was robbed in his first fight against Monroe, that is why he left the judges out of it the second time. And you are right the discussion has linger for too long

I agree McCallum was a great fighter but to say that Hagler ducked him when he wasn't even ranked at Middleweight is ludicrous.

[garfios]

I agree McCallum was a great fighter but to say that Hagler ducked him when he wasn't even ranked at Middleweight is ludicrous.

McCallum wasn't mention on the same line of Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, and Leonard back then. He was starting to carve his own legacy, I think the Curry's fight sent him on his way. The TS mentioned jackson, seems to me that he really didn't know julian as a fighter. The first real test of Jackson was mccallum. He never won against an A fighter. He looks to me like a homerun hitter all or nothing, not a complete fighter and no chin at all. If a fly happens to land on his chin he would be dazed...

[JK1700]

You can do this with any fighter, minimize their strengths and highlight their weaknesses. Hagler is a legend and one of the greatest of all time, a man who worked all the way from the bottom earning hardly anything to the very top in a time where it was very difficult to do that, you've got to respect it. Whether you think he beat Leonard or not the man is an all time great (I had him winning).

[garfios]

You can do this with any fighter, minimize their strengths and highlight their weaknesses. Hagler is a legend and one of the greatest of all time, a man who worked all the way from the bottom earning hardly anything to the very top in a time where it was very difficult to do that, you've got to respect it. Whether you think he beat Leonard or not the man is an all time great (I had him winning).

I had him winning too, but I think he loss the fight on the negotiation table. He got paid for those last three rounds. Remember the fight was agreed at 12 rounds not 15 rounds. I think he got two or three millions for those three rounds.

[Joe Beamish]

I will go to my grave remembering Hagler as a great middleweight. You can always hand pick one fight to discredit a great fighter. Duran gave him a harder fight than expected but Hagler would have beaten him easier in a rematch. If you want to make Duran look bad hand pick his fight with Hearns. If you want to make Leonard look bad hand pick his KO loss to Camacho. If you want to make Sugar Ray Robinson look bad hand pick his loss to unranked Ralph Jones. Hagler only needed 3 rounds to beat Hearns and I thought he beat Leonard as did about half the fans who saw the fight. There was a reason Leonard refused to give Hagler a rematch. Hagler was deadly in rematches. He had a few rematches and he always won them much quicker and easier than the first fight.Hagler had a lot of wear and tear on him by the time he fought Leonard because Hagler was a real fighting champion. He went to war against all the very best middleweights 4 times a year. What champion other than Hagler defends their title 4 times a year against the best and highest ranked challengers? Nobody. Hagler was a special champion and a great warrior who gave all the top contenders a shot at his title.

Yes. Insert a slow clap gif here.

[JK1700]

I had him winning too, but I think he loss the fight on the negotiation table. He got paid for those last three rounds. Remember the fight was agreed at 12 rounds not 15 rounds. I think he got two or three millions for those three rounds.

This is true it was definitely a mistake on his part, SRL was clever though because he made Hagler think he had to do that for the fight to happen. Marvin did better as the fight went on so I definitely think the extra rounds would've helped him, at the same time it is true that "the power's that be" wanted Leonard to win. To this day I still think Hagler is the greater fighter, Ray even admits in his book that he didn't want to fight him until he saw him decline. Both are legends though.

[RetroSpeed05]

The more i study certain boxers or at least try to read up on older fighters resume seeing them who they struggled against, some of the opponents they fought and the records of there opponents and what they did or who they beat it seems there legend is more then what certain fighters actually were.

It seems older fighters always are invincible when making fantasy fight because of there legend status, but we dont how they would do vs fighters now or how there opponents would do against fighters in this generation.

Put fighters like Floyd, Pac, Oscar, Canelo vs legends in there weight class or GGG vs Hagler some people would lose there mind.

Wonder in the future when were all old how they the fighters at that time will be looked at compered to are fighters.

[McNulty]

I agree McCallum was a great fighter but to say that Hagler ducked him when he wasn't even ranked at Middleweight is ludicrous.

Duran wasn't ranked, Hearns wasn't ranked, Leonard wasn't ranked. Polly want a cracker? Its like all you do is repeat the same fcuking thing post after post, caw he wasn't ranked --- caw!

[McNulty]

You can do this with any fighter, minimize their strengths and highlight their weaknesses. Hagler is a legend and one of the greatest of all time, a man who worked all the way from the bottom earning hardly anything to the very top in a time where it was very difficult to do that, you've got to respect it. Whether you think he beat Leonard or not the man is an all time great (I had him winning).

Legend based on what? Fought a ton of bums. Beat up smaller guys coming up and losing to a smaller guy legitimately that was out of the game for an unprecedented 3 fcuking years rofl?

If you think Hagler beat SRL, you don't know how to score boxing.

[McNulty]

Where was Hagler going to go, 175? He wasn't a big 160 lbr to begin with! The man is like 5'7 or 5'8!!

Marvin Hagler was 5'9" and a half, wrong again! Not surprised though, you've been wrong the majority. He had options.