Wilder has lost a fan

[Redd Foxx]

What the hell does that have to do with anything I just said? You don't get to change the narrative with me now go outside and play.

I don't even respond to that guy anymore because you can put him in his place all day and all he does is just change the subject so he can feel like he wasn't wrong.

[soul_survivor]

I don't get this narrative you lot keep spinngin. Whyte owuld be better than almost every name on Wilder's pathetic resume, so why is that a bad fight?

I'm all for Wilder v Povetkin or Pulev instead of Whyte but if those fights don't happen and they won't, Whyte is the next best opponent.

No, a middle aged, slow, two punch Ortiz is not, stop hyping the old cheat. Heck, I'd even take Chisora in the shape he was last fight but a STiverne rematch or yet another journeyman? Is that going to be better for Wilder?

This is just getting ridiculous.

[Redd Foxx]

Let's be real here though. Yes he's talked endlessly about wanting Joshua to the likes of Tuscaloosa news and some US based boxing blogs/youtubers but none of those are the kind of sources that are going to get back to England. It's all well and good talking a lot when the only people that are going to hear you are your own fans but it doesn't actually achieve anything.

An yes he did fly over for the Joshua v Klitschko fight... at Sky's request to work on their commentary, where he had to be pressed by the Sky team to even mention fighting Joshua. Sky literally gave him the platform that millions of people would hear and he froze when he should have been selling himself and selling the Joshua fight to make that huge.

There's no real evidence in anything you're saying though. Maybe I'm just not snarky enough but I don't attack and criticize people without actual merit (which is what everyone is doing). The guy tried to fight Povetkin, he's shown great interest in Parker and AJ. He's even PASSING on an easy, profitable fight with Whyte (who is garbage, let's face it) in hopes to get something better.
Until someone shows me evidence of him avoiding Parker or AJ right now, it's all bullshyt.

This forum is full of shyt talkers who claim certain guys are ducking (just look at my sig) and they're usually embarrassed in the long run.

[mlac]

You're telling me he flew to the UK, not to show his interest in fighting the winner of AJ/Wlad, but for a scripted Bellew argument? Come on, you may not think much of me but you must know I'm not ****** enough to buy that idea.

Anyhow, we won't agree I guess but I do hope to see him land top fights. I'm not a Wilder fan because he doesn't respect his craft and hasn't addressed some fundamental issues he's got. But, I do see him trying to get meaningful fights (finally) and I can't fault him for that, even if I've got other problems with the guy.

No, im telling you every boxer call's out XYZ regardless of whether they have an intention to fight them or not, it's part of the game.

You don't judge someone on what they say, but who they have fought, you do realise wilder doesnt pick his opponents right...? he may very well want to fight AJ and ortiz and the Jolly green giant.
It doesnt matter, Uncle Al chooses who he fights, and its clear for all to see that his team and manager have very little confidence in him, ive said for year's the man is a modern day michael grant, he is extremely poor(technically)

But no doubt the man carries an atom bomb in his right hand and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could very well ice Ortiz and AJ, and Parker.

But its pretty clear what his team are doing, managing him so extremely carefully that even a bum like Whyte is a risk for him, because they are taking NO chances of ruining the huge AJ payday.

[KillaCamNZ]

Based on the fact that he flew to the fkin UK to attend Joshua vs Klitschko and has talked endlessly about wanting AJ. Please, let's not act like children and pretend that he flew out there just to throw up a smoke screen. It's not a reach to say that he wants an AJ fight when that's what he's been going on about for months now. That was even part of his reasoning for not wanting Whyte.

I don't expect, or even want, anyone to like the guy. Let's just not do this herd mentality, "He's unpopular so I'm going to bash on him like everyone else."

I had no idea that jumping on a plane can undo contractual obligations and legalities.

There's a small, tiny obstacle in the form of Klitchko's rematch clause - AJ can't do **** until that is sorted out. You know this.

But that doesn't fit your narrative.

[mlac]

Based on what? Wilder called out AJ on the Showtime set after he beat Martin. He's been after AJ since the second he won the title. But that doesn't fit your ****ed up agenda so you pretend like it didn't happen.

he called someone out...therefore that negates the fact he hasnt fought a single legit guy in a year 10 career...wow Socrates would be proud of your logic there bud.

you are a complete imbecile please dont quote me again, the only with one an 'agenda' is you.

[Redd Foxx]

No, im telling you every boxer call's out XYZ regardless of whether they have an intention to fight them or not, it's part of the game.

You don't judge someone on what they say, but who they have fought, you do realise wilder doesnt pick his opponents right...? he may very well want to fight AJ and ortiz and the Jolly green giant.
It doesnt matter, Uncle Al chooses who he fights, and its clear for all to see that his team and manager have very little confidence in him, ive said for year's the man is a modern day michael grant, he is extremely poor(technically)

But no doubt the man carries an atom bomb in his right hand and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could very well ice Ortiz and AJ, and Parker.

But its pretty clear what his team are doing, managing him so extremely carefully that even a bum like Whyte is a risk for him, because they are taking NO chances of ruining the huge AJ payday.

Well, that first part goes beyond the scope of all this and pretty much negates the idea of Wilder avoid top comp anyway (if he's not making any decisions) which brings be back to the reason I don't like to get caught up in defending anything about Wilder because I'm not a big believer in him. I get the same shyt when I say something good about Golovkin, or Rigo, or Usyk, etc. I think all top HWs are steering clear of Ortiz anyway so *** em all. I just don't think Deontay himself should be fighting Whyte, or that he's ducking AJ or Parker.

I had no idea that jumping on a plane can undo contractual obligations and legalities.

There's a small, tiny obstacle in the form of Klitchko's rematch clause - AJ can't do **** until that is sorted out. You know this.

But that doesn't fit your narrative.

Narrative of what you clown? I didn't criticize AJ. Nor am I a Wilder fan. Try to wrap your mind around the idea that not everyone takes a side.

I have positive and negative things to say about every fighter.
I'm not one of you guys that pledges loyalty. Don't let me stop you from continuing on your little hate parade though.

[repsa]

I thought Wilder had to fight his mandatory Stiverne first to satisfy the WBC. Just like Joshua is supposed to fight Ortiz to satisfy the WBA, well he was supposed to anyway but Ortiz stepped aside for Klitschko.

[Deus]

There's no real evidence in anything you're saying though. Maybe I'm just not snarky enough but I don't attack and criticize people without actual merit (which is what everyone is doing). The guy tried to fight Povetkin, he's shown great interest in Parker and AJ. He's even PASSING on an easy, profitable fight with Whyte (who is garbage, let's face it) in hopes to get something better.
Until someone shows me evidence of him avoiding Parker or AJ right now, it's all bullshyt.

This forum is full of shyt talkers who claim certain guys are ducking (just look at my sig) and they're usually embarrassed in the long run.

Isn't there? What about the entire Joshua v Klitschko event where he was given a microphone and clearly was not talking about fighting the winner? All you've gotta do is watch the Joshua v Klitschko fight again and you'll hear it for yourself. That was undoubtedly his best platform to put himself forward as the guy for Joshua to face but it just didn't happen.

I'm not trying to say that it's evidence that Wilder doesn't want Joshua by the way, just that you really cannot say that he does just because he's mentioned him a fair few times. Talk is cheap.

Do totally agree with you about Whyte btw, and if instead he fights someone better than Whyte then he'll deserve some recognition for that.

[KillaCamNZ]

No, im telling you every boxer call's out XYZ regardless of whether they have an intention to fight them or not, it's part of the game.

You don't judge someone on what they say, but who they have fought, you do realise wilder doesnt pick his opponents right...? he may very well want to fight AJ and ortiz and the Jolly green giant.
It doesnt matter, Uncle Al chooses who he fights, and its clear for all to see that his team and manager have very little confidence in him, ive said for year's the man is a modern day michael grant, he is extremely poor(technically)

But no doubt the man carries an atom bomb in his right hand and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could very well ice Ortiz and AJ, and Parker.

But its pretty clear what his team are doing, managing him so extremely carefully that even a bum like Whyte is a risk for him, because they are taking NO chances of ruining the huge AJ payday.

Post of the day. Even if Wilder can be given some credit for talking a big game, there's the small matter of the people who actually made the decisions, maneuvering him in a manner that presents little to no risk.

Heck, the biggest move his Management team have made, is paying for flights to have Wilder fight Povetkin - and it wasn't a matter of Wilder stepping up, it was a matter of he had no damn choice. Accept the fight or be stripped of the only thing he has as leverage. He sure as hell doesn't have leverage based on his body of work or ability to draw fans.