Comments Thread For: Agitated Arum: HBO, Showtime Don't Own the Boxing Business!

[Eff Pandas]

The problem building up any new avenue is going to be costly on his end and Arum has never really liked to invest in boxing like that. It is not like he won't invest some if he can see how it will come back to him, but investing a lot with doubt about how much returns he will get has never been his thing (and certainly not an old man strategy).

Thats why I'm leaning towards the FB's & Amazon's. But what is TR risking if they can get $10M-$15M a year from Amazon to air 4+ fight cards a year?

Then they can PPV out anything real big if things don't fit into that price range via their own website or even still work with HBO with PPV stuff which even HBO seems more focused on overall then there regular HBO programming.

Am I missing something with how the logistics & money could work with something like that from Arum's pocket? It'd basically be like how things work with HBO now except it'd be with a new player in the boxing entertainment business in my mind & Arum isn't putting anything on the line that he isn't putting on the line already.

The biggest question mark on something like this is just about who, if anyone right now, would give $10M, $15M or more to throw some boxing on a streaming service. And hell maybe I'm high balling that number. Maybe Arum would go for a $5M or $8M deal with a streaming service just to enter into a new market.

But I mean that sh^t is happening now. Amazon just paid $50M for 10 NFL games ffs. Boxing WILL be in this market soon.

I am interested to see what Arum does really because he has to do something, but I need to see it going down to believe it is happening because I have heard the same son many times with no payoff.

Definitely me too. Its an interesting time for boxing in general.

[Eff Pandas]

I agree with you in principle. However I believe that fans are killing boxing. Fans no longer appreciate boxing. They seem to only appreciate knockouts and fighters that look and sound just like them.

Everyone has always appreciated KO's more then smart boxing.

And if boxing fans don't appreciate boxing then boxing needs to change the rules to something that they do appreciate cuz thats a huge problem.

I disagree with what you are saying, but if it is a legit problem you can always alter the rules of boxing, like they've done in the past many times, & make boxing a more exciting sport in ways I've discussed numerous times here. No holding, lighter gloves, some sorta mercy rule or "yellow carding" for Pride fans for one sided or boring fights, improved scoring system, open scoring to entice fans to leave early if promoters don't put on competitive fights costing promoters money for the bs fights, & all sorts of other sh^t I could get into, but the main point being is you can make boxing appeal to more people & more competitive with rule changes like every other sport does & often on a regular annual basis for at least the NFL that I'm aware of.

[Eff Pandas]

haymon does not have 200 fighters under him... That is another fake myth pushed by crappy boxing writers.... I bet you to name even 100 haymon fighters....

What do I win if I go thru the trouble of listing them all LOL? Did you know Jordan White (4-1), a Haymon fighter, lost Saturday right? You knew Jordan White a DC area amateur who turned pro last year & immediately signed with Haymon right?

The Haymon roster is insane & deep. Deeper than a tall fat girls vagina.

And its not even THAT crazy. I was looking at a UK site a month or so ago that someone was talking about here. They listed fighters & managers of UK guys & there were at least 2 UK managers who had 70+ fighters who they managed. Cameron Dunkin used to have 40-50 guys he managed iirc. Its not that trying of a gig as people think.

Yes broner and tank have the same fanbase and tank is taking over..... Thats why broner is so jealous of him

LOL okay you're trolling me at this point. I'm done new guy or whoever alt you are. Silly conversation.

[Eff Pandas]

Closest I can think of was college football before (with their 500 different bowl games). But now they have playoffs, so it's better.

I'd argue NCAA football doesn't even count as its more of the NFL's farm system, or one could even call it amateur football & not a pro sport at all thats not necessarily trying to or should be trying to maximize revenue & profits.

[CONTROVERSIAL]

What do I win if I go thru the trouble of listing them all LOL? Did you know Jordan White (4-1), a Haymon fighter, lost Saturday right? You knew Jordan White a DC area amateur who turned pro last year & immediately signed with Haymon right?

The Haymon roster is insane & deep. Deeper than a tall fat girls vagina.

And its not even THAT crazy. I was looking at a UK site a month or so ago that someone was talking about here. They listed fighters & managers of UK guys & there were at least 2 UK managers who had 70+ fighters who they managed. Cameron Dunkin used to have 40-50 guys he managed iirc. Its not that trying of a gig as people think.



LOL okay you're trolling me at this point. I'm done new guy or whoever alt you are. Silly conversation.

please give me the list off 200 haymon fighters....

[Mukuro]

Go fuck off and die Arum. Boxing doesn't need you.

[Eff Pandas]

please give me the list off 200 haymon fighters....

Here's 150ish+ for sh^ts and giggles.

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Antonio Tarver
Andre Berto
Devon Alexander
Peter Quillin
Shawn Porter
Austin Trout
Jermain Taylor
Adrien Broner
Erislandy Lara
Josesito Lopez
Gary Russell Jr.
Chris Pearson
Keith Thurman
Chris Arreola
Danny Garcia
Audley Harrison
Daquan Arnett
Gerald Washington
Omar Figueroa
Errol Spence
Deontay Wilder
Robert Easter Jr.
Jamel Herring
Edwin Rodriguez
Marcos Maidana
Dominic Wade
Daniel Jacobs
Jermell Charlo
Jermall Charlo
Chad Dawson
Leo Santa Cruz
Alfredo Angulo
Robert Guerrero
Anthony Peterson
Lamont Peterson
Seth Mitchell
Bryant Perrella
Chris Alexander
Dennis Hasson
Amir Khan
Paul Malignaggi
Michael Hunter Jr.
Ryan Karl
Caleb Plant
Jordan Shimmell
Semajay Thomas
Alex Martin Jr.
Marcos Antonio Hernandez
Stephan Shaw
Tommy Logan
John Magda
Gervonta Davis
Kareem Martin
Daniel Prussak
Prichard Colon
Marcus Browne
Terrell Gausha
Rau'shee Warren
Dominic Breazeale
B.J. Flores
Miguel Vazquez
Vanes Martirosyan
Rances Barthelemy
John Molina
Beibut Shumenov
Luis Collazo
Sakio Bika
Tomoki Kameda
Justin DeLoach
Caleb Truax
Roberto Garcia
Andre Dirrell
Mario Barrios
Thomas Williams Jr.
David Grayton
Phillip Jackson Benson
Kyrone Davis
Wale Omotoso
Haskell Rhodes
Javontae Starks
Abner Mares
Andrzej Fonfara
Joshua Conley
Danny Kelly
Ahmed Elbiali
Erick Bone
Javier Fortuna
Jonathan Guzman
Oscar Escandon
Sergio Mora
Jorge Lara
Jonathan González
Patryk Szymanski
Kamil Laszczyk
Leonard Bundu
Earl Newman
Joseph Elegele
Stephen Fulton
Ionut Dan Ion
Koki Kameda
Adam Kownacki
Jarrett Hurd
Travis Kauffman
Sergiy Derevyanchenko
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Thomas Hill
Malcolm McAllister
Kevin Bizier
Ivan Redkach
John Jackson
Julius Jackson
Tyson Cave
Tony Harrison
Yasmany Consuegra
Domonique Dolton
Erickson Lubin
Dennis Galarza
Dauren Yeleussinov
Juan Carlos Payano
Artur Szpilka
Cesar Seda
Lucian Bute
Ievgen Khytrov
Samuel Vasquez
Carlos Ivan Velasquez
Daiki Kameda
Umberto Savigne
Claudio Marrero
Moises Flores
Samuel Figueroa
Yudel Jhonson
Isiah Thomas
Walter Castillo
Ivan Golub
Tugstsogt Nyambayan
Monty Meza Clay
Kiko Martinez
Gabriel Campillo
Leo Hall
Darwin Price
Steven Ortiz
Danny O'Connor
Mark DeLuca
Ryan Kielczweski
Marvin Sonsona
Maciej Sulecki
Dejan Zlaticanin
Michael Seals
Oscar Rivas
Eleider Alvarez
Artur Beterbiev
Steve Cunningham
Alejandro Luna
Carl Frampton
Chris Colbert
Jamal James
James DeGale
Rocky Martinez
McJoe Arroyo
Gary O'Sullivan
Stephen Ormond
Lee Selby
Emmanuel Rodriguez
Eddie Chambers
Jordan White
Sergey Lipinets
Ivan Baranchyk

[Jsmooth9876]

Arum rolls out a new streaming service by July and we get Manny vs Jeffrey Hornacek as the first show

[CONTROVERSIAL]

here's 150ish+ for sh^ts and giggles.

thanks a lot man ive always wanted to see a full list.... Where did you find it? On pbc website?

[The Gambler1981]

Thats why I'm leaning towards the FB's & Amazon's. But what is TR risking if they can get $10M-$15M a year from Amazon to air 4+ fight cards a year?

Then they can PPV out anything real big if things don't fit into that price range via their own website or even still work with HBO with PPV stuff which even HBO seems more focused on overall then there regular HBO programming.

Am I missing something with how the logistics & money could work with something like that from Arum's pocket? It'd basically be like how things work with HBO now except it'd be with a new player in the boxing entertainment business in my mind & Arum isn't putting anything on the line that he isn't putting on the line already.

The biggest question mark on something like this is just about who, if anyone right now, would give $10M, $15M or more to throw some boxing on a streaming service. And hell maybe I'm high balling that number. Maybe Arum would go for a $5M or $8M deal with a streaming service just to enter into a new market.

But I mean that sh^t is happening now. Amazon just paid $50M for 10 NFL games ffs. Boxing WILL be in this market soon.



Definitely me too. Its an interesting time for boxing in general.

I don't think Amazon or Facebook are going to give Arum anything like that amount. They might give him an opportunity and some services that would normally cost money but Arum would likely be out of pocket for all the events with having to make back money on each event if he wants to turn a profit. I don't think there is much money in that sort of thing right now, in the future sure once built up and I don't think Amazon or Facebook would subsidize such a risky thing. I doubt he can get private equity help with all the fuss he helped to stir up over PBC, which would be the one route where he could actually get the capital.

If it was a bunch of boxing people and they could spread out the cost on a WWE network type deal maybe but even then it will cost them tens of millions. Not even including bringing new content in