How would Canelo do against Sergio Marvilla Martinez?

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  • muslimer12
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    #51
    Originally posted by bigdunny1
    He's not good enough to time sergio but Macklin was? Chavez was able to time him in the 12th? Murray able to time him? Sergio was a terrible defensive fighter hit a lot his entire career. Bum Chavez landed ALMOST 200 punches on Sergio while he couldn't land a glove on Canelo only 71 punches landed. You say truggled with Trout yet he put him on his azz for the first time and making him QUIT in a open scoring fight. Trout is the opposite style fighter as Sergio. Did you see Trout keeping his hands down running head first into shots? And Trout is not chinny never been down before he fought Canelo and fought Charlo never went down. Struggling is Sergio against Cintron or Macklin, Murray almost getting laid out by Chavez. Exactly he's a natural 154lb fighter actually small for 160 and would be smaller then Canelo and he didn't beat everyone at 160 just hear the GGG fan girls cry that he ducked him. Canelo doing something that Sergio REFUSED to do fight GGG.
    Trout sucks and got schooled by Lara. And almost beat canelo. That fight was 7-5. I don't know why you keep saying Sergio walks into punches? Williams walked into Sergio's punch and got KOd in one of the greatest knockouts in recent memeory. Canelo has little power can only KO glass chins. Prime Sergio makes a joke out of canelo

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    • bigdunny1
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      #52
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
      What age did Sergio get the peg leg? I forget.
      He hurt his leg because he was careless against chavez and almost knocked out. Then really phuked up his leg because he did the same thing against Murray a fight many feel he lost. But he needed surgery after Murray fight then got iced against Cotto. was 37 against Chavez, 38 against Murray. Problem is he started boxing in his 20's and learned on the fly. He was OLDER then GGG by the time he finally became a world champ. And if he's already washed up like people make as an excuse for why he let Chavez hit him almost 200 times and had him crawling around the canvas in the 12. You talking about a short window of what 1 year? In his physical prime he was getting destroyed by guys like Margarito because he was journeyman/club fighter. By the time his skills caught up and he was in world class fights he was already 35. Age is why he gassed out late in fights and he was hit and dropped so many times because he had terrible defense and fundamentals.
      Last edited by bigdunny1; 05-11-2017, 12:08 PM.

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      • bigdunny1
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        #53
        Originally posted by gmc_rfc_06
        Loved Sergio, but I think Canelo stops him.

        Sergio had a few good wins, but a lot of very close fights with ordinary opposition. Macklin and Barker both gave him difficult fights, Williams 1 was very close...

        He was exciting and had good speed, but his defense was leaky, he was off balance a lot and he went down a lot. Canelo would do to a prime version what Cotto did to the crippled version.
        Exactly he was a fun fighter and GREAT story but by the time he made it to world class level he was getting dropped left and right. Chavez, Macklin, Murray, P-Will, Cotto all put him down. Half those fighters are below avg fighters. And that's not counting close fights he had with Cintron (same guy a young green Canelo iced and destroyed 2 years after Sergio fought him), Barker. And people pretending that Sergio had power when he didn't. He just caught P-Will with a perfect lucky punch who was at his prime at welterweight not middleweight. What great KO's did he have other then that? He was small for middleweight and relied on pot shots and expended a lot of energy with his legs which is why he always gassed late in fights. He also got caught a lot coming in because he fought with his hands down with bad balance.

        Right smack in his prime Macklin landed 40% of his power shots on him. Canelo who is better then Macklin would have no problem timing and landing big shots with him coming in carelessly and leaving himself wide open when he throws.

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          #54
          It's would be a close fight with a split decision.
          Maravilla would dominate the beginning of the fight, while Canelo will land body blows that eventually slow down Maravilla and Nelo takes over in the 2nd half. A round or two would mark the difference.

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            #55
            Originally posted by bigdunny1
            Pavlik was a drunk who had already lost to Hopkins and was in the middle if a tailspin in his personal life. And p-will beat him the first fight. Sergio during that same stretch struggled with Kermit cintron and guys like Macklin and Murray. Too chinny, and no defense you can not have those traits against canelo and think you going to beat him. Canelo would time him and catch him coming in. Bum Macklin landed 40% of his power shots on sergio. Canelo is a million times better, faster with his counters if he landed 40% what you think Canelo is doing?
            Good points here. Aside from the Williams knockout, Martinez struggled in all of his big fights. He got dropped by and went life and death with a faded Pavlik, struggled with Macklin and Barker, arguably lost to Murray and nearly got stopped by Chavez. Good fighter no doubt but a little overrated perhaps.

            Canelo is better than all of those guys (with the possible exception of a prime Pavlik at 160) and has already fought and beat a better pure boxer than Martinez in Lara. I think he'd have a very good chance of winning this one.

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            • bigdunny1
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              #56
              Originally posted by muslimer12
              Trout sucks and got schooled by Lara. And almost beat canelo. That fight was 7-5. I don't know why you keep saying Sergio walks into punches? Williams walked into Sergio's punch and got KOd in one of the greatest knockouts in recent memeory. Canelo has little power can only KO glass chins. Prime Sergio makes a joke out of canelo
              Trout sucks yet he beat Cotto a hall of famer, and then almost beat Jermall Charlo who couldn't once put him down like Canelo did. If Trout sucks then everyone but 1 or 2 guys on Sergio entire resume must not just suck but be total garbage. Name all the wins Sergio has that are better then Trout. I'll wait. So because Sergio landed 1 great punch against a fighter who was at his prime at welterweight now that makes him a power puncher in his career? I don't hear you saying that because Canelo had highlight reel 1 punch KO's against Khan, Kirkland ect. Sergio literally has ALMOST no early round KO's his entire career you dummy. All his KO's came against weak opponents or late rounds because he wasn't known for his pop which is why when he landed 1 out the blue lucky punch or P-Will everyone was shocked. First and only KO of that kind his entire career. Damn you newbie's in boxing make me laugh. Sergio was small for middleweight and not a big puncher. Spent most his time in fun fights because he was vulnerable and always had to keep getting off the canvas because he was VERY hittable with suspect chin

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                #57
                Originally posted by bigdunny1
                Trout sucks yet he beat Cotto a hall of famer, and then almost beat Jermall Charlo who couldn't once put him down like Canelo did. If Trout sucks then everyone but 1 or 2 guys on Sergio entire resume must not just suck but be total garbage. Name all the wins Sergio has that are better then Trout. I'll wait. So because Sergio landed 1 great punch against a fighter who was at his prime at welterweight now that makes him a power puncher in his career? I don't hear you saying that because Canelo had highlight reel 1 punch KO's against Khan, Kirkland ect. Sergio literally has ALMOST no early round KO's his entire career you dummy. All his KO's came against weak opponents or late rounds because he wasn't known for his pop which is why when he landed 1 out the blue lucky punch or P-Will everyone was shocked. First and only KO of that kind his entire career. Damn you newbie's in boxing make me laugh. Sergio was small for middleweight and not a big puncher. Spent most his time in fun fights because he was vulnerable and always had to keep getting off the canvas because he was VERY hittable with suspect chin
                Cotto was past prime when trout beat him dumbo. Martinez fights bigger guys and KOs them. Canelo only KOs small WW, or glass jaw fighters. Trout is a bum and ALMOST beat Canelo, the only thing canelo did in that fight was the KD not even KO, but KD. lmao gtfo Canelo almost lost to trout, should of lost to lara, and got schooled by mayweather. He cant fight boxers, and his track record proves it. That KO of williams was better than anytihng canelo has ever done, Canelo cant close a show, he will always go the distance cuz he knows the judges are paid off. Martinez footwork and volume punching is gonna TKO canelo. No doubt.

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                • bigdunny1
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by muslimer12
                  Cotto was past prime when trout beat him dumbo. Martinez fights bigger guys and KOs them. Canelo only KOs small WW, or glass jaw fighters. Trout is a bum and ALMOST beat Canelo, the only thing canelo did in that fight was the KD not even KO, but KD. lmao gtfo Canelo almost lost to trout, should of lost to lara, and got schooled by mayweather. He cant fight boxers, and his track record proves it. That KO of williams was better than anytihng canelo has ever done, Canelo cant close a show, he will always go the distance cuz he knows the judges are paid off. Martinez footwork and volume punching is gonna TKO canelo. No doubt.
                  Why avoid my question name the list of fighters Sergio beat that are better then trout? Go ahead I dare you. Trout world champ only lost to elite fighters never knocked out, only dropped by 2 fighters charlo who punches like a mule wasn't 1 of them. And flat out embarrassed a 1st ballot HOFer. Now go look at the bulk of bums Sergio beat. Trout is a better fighter with a better resume then every fighter Sergio beat except maybe 2 guys. But go ahead make a bigger fool out yourself and get me that list.
                  Last edited by bigdunny1; 05-11-2017, 08:58 PM.

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                    #59
                    Prime Sergio wins by probably 4-6 round KO.

                    People seem to forget Sergio had a great left hand. Too much skill, speed and skill for Canelo.

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                    • muslimer12
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by bigdunny1
                      Why avoid my question name the list of fighters Sergio beat that are better then trout? Go ahead I dare you. Trout world champ only lost to elite fighters never knocked out, only dropped by 2 fighters charlo who punches like a mule wasn't 1 of them. And flat out embarrassed a 1st ballot HOFer. Now go look at the bulk of bums Sergio beat. Trout is a better fighter with a better resume then every fighter Sergio beat except maybe 2 guys. But go ahead make a bigger fool out yourself and get me that list.
                      Williams, cintron, pavlick, Dzinziruk, heck even murray is better. Trouts best win is winning a close fight against a past prime cotto, and canelo barely won over him. What else has trout even done other then the cotto fight? lol where is he now? Niether canelo or charlo are elite and he lost to both. What are you blabbering about lol Sergio is beast and destroys canelo, thats it.

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