Comments Thread For: Nacho: Chavez Jr. Was Afraid To Let His Hands Go on Canelo

[SplitSecond]

the problem is not the game plan, its jr himself. garcia or roach wouldnt be able to help him. the guy just wouldnt throw in fear of getting counter. you cant fix that.

A rough training camp with roach and ingraining in him pressure pressure, definitely would have helped. But that was a long time ago, he probably needed a few fights for this caliber of opposition considering where he has been the past few years.

Just downright crap and worthless fight that didnt say anything, canelo was still easily moved to the ropes (not including late when he went there himself) and his activity took a big dive for a heavybag workout, so it doesn't seem much has changed.

[otrocubiche]

come on, the other fight was already signed, gbp could not risk canelo being hurt, am I the only one that thinks that chavez was asked to do as little as possible?

[bigdunny1]

come on, the other fight was already signed, gbp could not risk canelo being hurt, am I the only one that thinks that chavez was asked to do as little as possible?

Back to conspiracy theories? Why would a legend with so much pride Chavez Sr let that happen? Let his great name be a part of that? And why would you hire one of the greatest trainers if he had no intentions of fighting? Stop being foolish people. Chavez was simply out classed and quit. Was gun shy to avoid further damage. And what does Chavez camp care about GGG down the line? They going to sully their own name and become the biggest laughing stock in Mexico for a fight that they won't see a single dime from? They like the rest of public had no clue GGG/Golden Boy had an agreement for Sept.

Joshua Clottey did the same thing against Manny. Froze up after being outclassed refused to punch.

[turnedup]

Yeah, he truly dumped all over the family. The old man just hung his head in disgust. It was sad to see.

Dude it was cringe worthy, I felt horrible for Sr. I watched the fight with some die hard JCC Sr fans and the silence and disdain for the kids performance was glaringly obvious. Sad because I think if Jr got his shhh together he could've been one heck of a fighter. He got babied and now he's entering that age where even if he decided to take the sport serious he's starting the fight against the clock.

[WesternChamp]

A rough training camp with roach and ingraining in him pressure pressure, definitely would have helped. But that was a long time ago, he probably needed a few fights for this caliber of opposition considering where he has been the past few years.

Just downright crap and worthless fight that didnt say anything, canelo was still easily moved to the ropes (not including late when he went there himself) and his activity took a big dive for a heavybag workout, so it doesn't seem much has changed.

roach is even more laid back. how many times have we heard interview from roach during training camp saying his fighter is late, etc. LOL.

and this happen with more than one fighter. i think this is the reason why jr wanted roach in the first place. jr knows he can get away slacking off with roach being his trainer. jr wanted roach to be his trainer at first but roach decline since he has a busy schedule.

[WesternChamp]

Yet Jr says "He didn’t hurt me. He’s not a big natural puncher. I felt his punch but not to hurt me.... "

they always say that. rios said the same with pac. didnt feel his power, etc. but was covered up for half of the fight.

[sterilizer]

He had NO AMMUNITION

Scared to "pull the trigger?"

What for? Chavez Jr. had NO AMMUNITION AT ALL.

He was drained as a corpse in the weigh-in and he still looked drained on fight night. I am amazed that nobody has commented that, despite the 4-5 inch difference in height, CANELO LOOKED HEAVIER IN THE RING THAN CHAVEZ JR. And of course, Canelo looked 100% healthy. In fact Canelo looks like a natural 164-pounder even if that weight division doesn't exist. Chavez looks like someone who is simply not a boxer or an athlete at all.

Chavez Jr. tried a little bit, he found out that he was the smaller and weaker of the two, so if he tried to punch Canelo for a KO he would just gas out like he did vs. Fonfara. And THEN he would have been KO'd more for lack of oxygen than for Canelo being powerful or dangerous.

So he wasn't ******. He had no power at all. Why get tired throwing punches that would only diminish his stamina and do nothing to his opponent?

Yes, he was gun shy but I believe it was not because he feared "powerful Canelo's" counter-punches. His fear was getting tired, running out of oxygen for trying so much without any power, until he would fall down upon the slightest punch. Something like what happened to Foreman vs. Ali (Foreman was KO'd due to exhaustion, not because Ali was powerful), or Joshua when Klitschko knocked him down --yes it was an excellent punch by Klitschko, but it happened because Joshua was totally exhausted, barely standing up, later on he recovered his energy because he is still young.

I think that going so unnaturally low when you are not so young (past your 30's) and then fighting the next day, is the equivalent to fighting while having the flu, or a stomach infection, or anything that debilitates your whole system. You simply have no strength. He realized, at the very beginning, that his punches were at least 50% less powerful than those of huge Canelo who I insist, looked heavier than Chavez Jr., so the latter was smart enough to be just in survival mode. An unhealthy and weak C-fighter vs. a 100% healthy A-fighter. Anybody with any brains would have done the same.

Even if both of them were healthy (fight taking place at 168, not 164.5), it was still a mismatch but there would have been more action, because the power would have been similar, only the skill would have been the huge difference in favor of Canelo. But at least there would have been a fight.

[Sledgeweather17]

Nacho is right.

Chavez admitted he was worried about being countered.

it is speed/timing/accuracy

the same thing happens to Floyd opponents

I expect GGG to be hesitant and have trouble committing once he realizes how sharp Canelo is

Yeah Canelo is a very sharp counter puncher. He counters when you miss him, and ALSO counters when you actually hit him. Honestly Floyd's reflexes were insane coz so many 'perfect' counters Canelo through were slipped, doubt any other fighter would have slipped those, GGG certainly won't. He'll have to rely on his chin in order to win.

[tokon]

the problem is not the game plan, its jr himself. garcia or roach wouldnt be able to help him. the guy just wouldnt throw in fear of getting counter. you cant fix that.

Correct but a guy as experienced as Nacho would have known that too and should have devised a gameplan that at least attempted to utilisewhatever strengths/abilities Chavez brings.

Nacho failed as a trainer just as much as Chavez failed as a fighter.

[turnedup]

Yeah Canelo is a very sharp counter puncher. He counters when you miss him, and ALSO counters when you actually hit him. Honestly Floyd's reflexes were insane coz so many 'perfect' counters Canelo through were slipped, doubt any other fighter would have slipped those, GGG certainly won't. He'll have to rely on his chin in order to win.

That works both ways though, because we've seen Golovkin allow that opening to make you throw the punch clean to get his ko blow in. Canelo should and will likely have a very hard time because he's going to have to counter the Jab which we've seen has always kept him honest. The one thing people kept going on about was Chavez not bothering to jab like at all. The Jab has always troubled Canelo especially when he can't time it right, he got Amir timed pretty much when he knocked him out and that's because Amir kept throwing it at the same speed, no feint jab, just the same tap, tap, tap.