Comments Thread For: Nacho: Chavez Jr. Was Afraid To Let His Hands Go on Canelo

[bigdunny1]

That works both ways though, because we've seen Golovkin allow that opening to make you throw the punch clean to get his ko blow in. Canelo should and will likely have a very hard time because he's going to have to counter the Jab which we've seen has always kept him honest. The one thing people kept going on about was Chavez not bothering to jab like at all. The Jab has always troubled Canelo especially when he can't time it right, he got Amir timed pretty much when he knocked him out and that's because Amir kept throwing it at the same speed, no feint jab, just the same tap, tap, tap.

Cotto's entire gameplan was to get on his bike and jab all night long. Canelo took that punch away by slipping and blocking it and countering. Cotto threw almost 400 jabs but landed only 14% because Canelo's defense and countering ability. He is very good at slipping jabs.

Cotto vs Canelo
374 Total jabs thrown
54 Total jabs connected
14% Percentage landed

[bigdunny1]

Through 6 rounds Khan was on pace to land just 40 jabs the ENTIRE fight at just 22% connect rate

Khan vs Canelo
88 Total jabs thrown
20 Total jabs connected
22% Percentage landed

Smith vs Canelo
195 Total jabs thrown
47 Total jabs connected
24% Percentage landed

Lara vs Canelo
246 Total jabs thrown
55 Total jabs connected
22% Percentage landed

Trout vs Canelo
416 Total jabs thrown
59 Total jabs connected
14% Percentage landed

Where is this Canelo has trouble with the jab nonsense you speak of? His defense is WAYYYYY better then you giving him credit for especially his ability to slip and counter the jab which is why fighters are having career worse production and connect rate landing this punch against him. These numbers are what you see defensive wizards like Floyd doing to fighters.

[SplitSecond]

roach is even more laid back. how many times have we heard interview from roach during training camp saying his fighter is late, etc. LOL.

and this happen with more than one fighter. i think this is the reason why jr wanted roach in the first place. jr knows he can get away slacking off with roach being his trainer. jr wanted roach to be his trainer at first but roach decline since he has a busy schedule.

Im not talking about his temperment, im talking about the camp, roach would be stressing "throwing punches" and "pressure" (things chavez needed) and rough sparring and work.

[turnedup]

Cotto's entire gameplan was to get on his bike and jab all night long. Canelo took that punch away by slipping and blocking it and countering. Cotto threw almost 400 jabs but landed only 14% because Canelo's defense and countering ability. He is very good at slipping jabs.

Cotto vs Canelo
374 Total jabs thrown
54 Total jabs connected
14% Percentage landed

That's Cotto and while yes Cotto has a beautiful jab he doesn't have the handspeed he used to have and he doesn't have the thud on his jab he used to have. I'll say we'll see in September but mark my words that Golovkin will use that Jab to see up his shots a lot better than Cotto tried. Who wins? Who knows but the jab in September will slow Canelo down big time.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I don't know about better but good enough to win a decision over Canelo.

I promise you, if the fight happens in Vegas, G has NO CHOICE but to KO Canelo - and I'm not sold on him being able to catch Canelo like that.

[aboutfkntime]

Correct but a guy as experienced as Nacho would have known that too and should have devised a gameplan that at least attempted to utilisewhatever strengths/abilities Chavez brings.

Nacho failed as a trainer just as much as Chavez failed as a fighter.

I am a big Nacho fan, he is a jedi..... and the fact is, you cannot change a fighter in one camp..... but, not gonna try argue with you about that one

it appeared like..... shht gameplan, 0 adjustments

interesting/good to hear that Jnr will retain Nacho

I definitely believe the weight was a factor

but, not sure how much of a factor

Canelo > Chavez anyway, he could have come in at 168

but THAT, is why catchweights suck shht

I told y'all..... whoever loses that fight will blame the weight

Canelo, despite saying otherwise immediately prior to the fight..... would have done the exact same thing and used weight as an excuse if he had lost..... and he would have been correct, because he is clearly a better fighter

I don't care if I never see another catchweight fight EVER

[aboutfkntime]

That works both ways though, because we've seen Golovkin allow that opening to make you throw the punch clean to get his ko blow in. Canelo should and will likely have a very hard time because he's going to have to counter the Jab which we've seen has always kept him honest. The one thing people kept going on about was Chavez not bothering to jab like at all. The Jab has always troubled Canelo especially when he can't time it right, he got Amir timed pretty much when he knocked him out and that's because Amir kept throwing it at the same speed, no feint jab, just the same tap, tap, tap.

that right hand over the top early in that fight..... was near perfect!!

seriously, go watch it..... that was exquisite

very hard to combat, very hard to get your game going when your best/safest weapon is getting you in trouble

Golovkin will be hesitant, and will have trouble committing, when he realizes how sharp Canelo is..... even more so than he was with Jacobs

Khan is waaaaay faster than Golovkin, who is somewhat predictable

they are going to need great gameplan(s) for Canelo, and they will need to make a lot of adjustments throughout that fight..... now we will see how good Sanchez is, I definitely think Canelo has the better corner

[bigdunny1]

That's Cotto and while yes Cotto has a beautiful jab he doesn't have the handspeed he used to have and he doesn't have the thud on his jab he used to have. I'll say we'll see in September but mark my words that Golovkin will use that Jab to see up his shots a lot better than Cotto tried. Who wins? Who knows but the jab in September will slow Canelo down big time.

Cotto's hand speed is warp speed compared to GGG. Dude is slow as phuk and I showed you the numbers because canelo isn't just avg, not just ok, he is VERY good at slipping and countering the jab. Which is why all those world class fighters I listed basically had career worst nights landing the jab despite most setting career highs trying to throw it. It was clearly a focus and canelo was able to neutralize it. He is much harder to hit then you guys give him credit for. His defense is light years above GGG.

[THE REED]

He said CANELO didn't hit hard but he was petrified to throw punches against him. Lol. I'm glad Nacho exposed Jr for his nonsense!

Canelo doesnt have to hit like a train to instill hesitation. This is why most fighters dont rush Floyd guns blazing. He hits hard and accurate enough to make you cautious. Jr. Probably felt if he rushed the whole fight he'd probably be knocked out.

[turnedup]

Cotto's hand speed is warp speed compared to GGG. Dude is slow as phuk and I showed you the numbers because canelo isn't just avg, not just ok, he is VERY good at slipping and countering the jab. Which is why all those world class fighters I listed basically had career worst nights landing the jab despite most setting career highs trying to throw it. It was clearly a focus and canelo was able to neutralize it. He is much harder to hit then you guys give him credit for. His defense is light years above GGG.

Ok well the lovely part of all of this is we are four months away from finding out who is right. Good luck on your bet come September.