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  • The Time
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    #61
    Originally posted by Marchegiano
    If you were training Rocky Marciano would you even try to teach him to jab with Louis?

    Most of yer post is beautiful, real boxing talk and I appreciate it, but I feel like you've come under the same spell as plenty of others. So focused on hit and don't be hit boxing you don't even recognize the other end of the spectrum as talent.

    Wilder's never going to have the pedigree the others have. How would you use that? Is it easy to believe Joshua's overall experience affords him skills Wilder won't develope? How would you use that?

    Jay is following a mix of Goldman-Marciano and Sadler-Foreman. It's working well.

    Notice any similarities in Marciano's game and Wilder's? That's not a mistake, it's not on accident, and I think just like trying to make Rock Joe trying to make Wilder Joshua is a mistake. It may not be pretty, but until he starts giving up power positions by failing to posture he's doing exactly what he means to. Just like Rock was.


    Thank you for the compliment sir. Your post is pretty good as well. You made some great points with Rocky Marciano.

    I know some boxers just fight a certain way and have certain styles.
    And I definitely appreciate that, it's what makes boxing what it is.

    I'm guessing Rocky Marciano had a better chin than Wilder had.

    Wilder's chin is suspect. He has the tools and talent to be better if he learned to correct his fundamentals, technique, discipline.


    And I hear you on what they are teaching Wilder, but........
    It would really serve him well to do so because of his suspect chin. If he was rocked and hurt by Molina. Wobbled by Firtha. When he faces a guy like Joshua, that lack of technique, discipline and correction of his flaws could prove to be his undoing. Imo, Wilder definitely needs to shore up his deficiencies and flaws. If not, it will not end well for him. It will not be pretty.

    If he had a iron chin, then I wouldn't worry too much. But his chin is not great. With that being said, I think it would definitely be in his great interest to correct his flawed technical skills.

    But yeah I'm not of the ilk of hit and not be hit. I definitely like action. But I do appreciate other styles as well. Except the bore you to death styles, lol, like clinching constantly or running around the ring and not doing much. Yeah, there's all kinds of guys in boxing, punchers, boxers, boxer punchers, puncher boxers, brawlers, etc.....

    I just can't stand the constant huggers or the constant runners that don't do much.

    But good stuff man, and again thanks for the compliment. I try to be as objective and indifferent as possible. I'm not on that fanboy stuff, Lol. While I may admire some boxers more than others. I want to be and try and be as realistic, indifferent and objective as possible.
    Last edited by The Time; 04-30-2017, 02:05 PM.

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    • koolkc107
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      #62
      Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
      I agree 100%. Wilder's speed and athleticism will give Joshua fits. And Wilder won't gas. I see Parker giving Wilder more problems than Joshua
      You could make that argument.

      Parker is a little tighter defensively.

      I just thin AJ needs time and shouldn't rush into something with Wilder just yet.

      Either guy beats Fury, even if Tyson is somehow able to get into shape.

      Unlike Wlad having a bad night, these two wont be tentative going at the Gypsy King.

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        #63
        Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::.
        I don't disagree. The guy I just quoted (Marchegiano) spoke on it (defense) as well.

        It's why I spoke about styles in my first post.
        I wish folks could get that point.

        It aint me saying Wilder is better.

        Hell, I prefaced the OP saying AJ will be "it" for this era.

        But, if they fight within the next year, Joshua has to find a way not to take those right hands.

        He is vulnerable both to a guard splitting cross and an overhand.

        And here's something else.

        Take a good look at some of those "windmills" thrown by Wilder, paying close attention to where his right hand usually misses.

        He is missing high most of the time.

        But against shorter guys.

        Guess where those "windmills" end up against a taller opponent who has shown a tendancy to not be able to get out the way?

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          #64
          I think it will be a good fight. But why does nobody consider that Joshua is actually a bigger man? Because he is.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Sparked_26
            I think it will be a good fight. But why does nobody consider that Joshua is actually a bigger man? Because he is.
            Wilder is an inch taller and has an inch in reach over Joshua.

            Joshua was getting hit by right hands thrown from Wlad, who he has a reach advantage over.

            It isn't a stretch to imagine Deontay will, at some time, be able to land a clean right hand or three on AJ

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            • hugh grant
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              #66
              Josh wins with in 10 rounds

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              • HeadShots
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                #67
                Wilder is the worst stylistic match-up for Joshua.


                The reason is that Wilder can legit ice Ioshua with as single shot. Joshua does not have the best chin or recuperative ability. Joshua runs red lights.

                Fury and Parker don't have tht kind of power or speed to ice Joshua before getting knocked dead by Joshua.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by The Time
                  Thank you for the compliment sir. Your post is pretty good as well. You made some great points with Rocky Marciano.

                  I know some boxers just fight a certain way and have certain styles.
                  And I definitely appreciate that, it's what makes boxing what it is.

                  I'm guessing Rocky Marciano had a better chin than Wilder had.

                  Wilder's chin is suspect. He has the tools and talent to be better if he learned to correct his fundamentals, technique, discipline.


                  And I hear you on what they are teaching Wilder, but........
                  It would really serve him well to do so because of his suspect chin. If he was rocked and hurt by Molina. Wobbled by Firtha. When he faces a guy like Joshua, that lack of technique, discipline and correction of his flaws could prove to be his undoing. Imo, Wilder definitely needs to shore up his deficiencies and flaws. If not, it will not end well for him. It will not be pretty.

                  If he had a iron chin, then I wouldn't worry too much. But his chin is not great. With that being said, I think it would definitely be in his great interest to correct his flawed technical skills.

                  But yeah I'm not of the ilk of hit and not be hit. I definitely like action. But I do appreciate other styles as well. Except the bore you to death styles, lol, like clinching constantly or running around the ring and not doing much. Yeah, there's all kinds of guys in boxing, punchers, boxers, boxer punchers, puncher boxers, brawlers, etc.....

                  I just can't stand the constant huggers or the constant runners that don't do much.

                  But good stuff man, and again thanks for the compliment. I try to be as objective and indifferent as possible. I'm not on that fanboy stuff, Lol. While I may admire some boxers more than others. I want to be and try and be as realistic, indifferent and objective as possible.
                  Wilder is what, 40-0 or something? I'm sure he needs your advice. LOL. He has the talent and technique because you say so? Shut the hell up dude and go be a trainer if you think you know so much

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                  • koolkc107
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by HeadShots
                    Wilder is the worst stylistic match-up for Joshua.


                    The reason is that Wilder can legit ice Ioshua with as single shot. Joshua does not have the best chin or recuperative ability. Joshua runs red lights.

                    Fury and Parker don't have tht kind of power or speed to ice Joshua before getting knocked dead by Joshua.
                    That's basically how I see it.

                    And the antidote for that is to work on it for a few fights against guys like Fury and Parker for exactly that reason.

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                    • mathed
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                      #70
                      AJ would spark Wilder out, now, in 12 months from now or 2 years from now. I'd love to see the fight but Wilder is getting KTFO.

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