Margarito vs. Sharmba Mitchell WTF

[ferocity]

Ferocity this was the point I was making that Oscar was in a different class so it's not fair to compare somebody that's getting 15 - 20 million a fight to somebody who just became a "PPV" guy. I agree Oscar is special but alot of him taking mostly all megafight's is the amount of money and PPV attraction to him. He's a well accomplished fighter and PBF will probably never be the "draw" of Oscar, it remains to be seen where they eventually end up on people's list when they both retire and any unbiased person will admit that PBF COULD go down as 1 of the all time greats. I respect your opinion but they're are fight's your boy AM could make with young hungry fighter's like Clottey who is calling him out by the way. Or maybe do like most fighter's that have been at a weight class for like a decade or more and can't get the fight they want do move up. He wouldn't have that size advantage he must want to have but if he's as good as everybody says he'd make out fine right? IF PBF doesn't get the big payday with Oscar then I would say AM is the next best option IMO and I'm sure he'd take the fight. In saying all that I understand that AM isn't scared of a Clottey or probably anybody else, just at a stage in his career that he only take's the riskier fight's that have the biggest reward. So this is the same thing that PBF is doing it's business and that's why ARUM has AM fighting Mitchell next.

kermit cintron was a highly respected contender untill margarito ko'd then it was oh, cintron was too green and i think the same may happen if margarito beats clottly.

and i ask why would margarito jump in weight class to a higher weight class when he is so confortable in his weight class? this isn't the first time a fighter has been ducked by another fighter. and if margarito was to jump weight, then he'd have to start all over, now if a champion was to say hey margarito, jump in weight and fight me for my title then i'd be margarito and jump in weight for a title shot, but i wouldn't jump to a new weight class were i have to start all over, cause only if you are mayweather or delahoya or jones, hopkins and so on, you ain't getting the same welcome as margarito will if he moves up in weight cause margarito isn't a big name as those fighters.

[Mr. Ryan]

kermit cintron was a highly respected contender untill margarito ko'd then it was oh, cintron was too green and i think the same may happen if margarito beats clottly.

and i ask why would margarito jump in weight class to a higher weight class when he is so confortable in his weight class? this isn't the first time a fighter has been ducked by another fighter. and if margarito was to jump weight, then he'd have to start all over, now if a champion was to say hey margarito, jump in weight and fight me for my title then i'd be margarito and jump in weight for a title shot, but i wouldn't jump to a new weight class were i have to start all over, cause only if you are mayweather or delahoya or jones, hopkins and so on, you ain't getting the same welcome as margarito will if he moves up in weight cause margarito isn't a big name as those fighters.

1. In Margarito's first fight as a junior middleweight, he lost to Daniel Santos for the WBO Junior middleweight title. He has received preferential treatment by the sanctioning bodies before.

2. Anyone who thought Cintron was a highly respected contender were either biased or inebriated. Cintron was at best a flawed prospect. The reason he was so highly regarded was because of the shallowness of the welterweight division. In his last fight before facing Margarito, he had a very shaky performance against Teddy Reid. That fight was much more even and dangerous than the HBO people would lead you to believe. Cintron had stamina, defense, and durability issue from the beginning.

3. Clottey is green and unprepared, he hasn't fought any legitimate contenders yet and I can't forsee Clottey winning this fight.

[beezy 14]

Ferocity, in short it's a good BUSINESS decision I'm a PBF fan but can realize that and so does ARUM. You follow the sport and know that PBF has been wanting that Oscar fight and me and you agreed in another thread that this to was a good business move as well. I as a fan like you want the PBF/Margorito fight, but why would he take 8 when he could have 15 - 20 with the setup of future payday's ? Like he told AM it will be bigger in the near future but AM and Arum are tryna not take on dangerous fight's until he can cash in with a Mayweather or Oscar. I just don't see why when PBF does this it's such a crime ,you didn't see Oscar quick to rematch Sturm or fight Winky. He probably would but all the circumstances have to be righ, and Cintron EVENTUALLY will be a top level guy but you must admit if PBF foght him you wouldn't act like it's the biggest thing.

[ferocity]

Ferocity, in short it's a good BUSINESS decision I'm a PBF fan but can realize that and so does ARUM. You follow the sport and know that PBF has been wanting that Oscar fight and me and you agreed in another thread that this to was a good business move as well. I as a fan like you want the PBF/Margorito fight, but why would he take 8 when he could have 15 - 20 with the setup of future payday's ? Like he told AM it will be bigger in the near future but AM and Arum are tryna not take on dangerous fight's until he can cash in with a Mayweather or Oscar. I just don't see why when PBF does this it's such a crime ,you didn't see Oscar quick to rematch Sturm or fight Winky. He probably would but all the circumstances have to be righ, and Cintron EVENTUALLY will be a top level guy but you must admit if PBF foght him you wouldn't act like it's the biggest thing.

you're forgetting the heat some people gave delahoya after the sturm fight and lets remember delahoya tried to get a rematch with trinidad after the lose but a rematch deal could not be aggreed upon. and delahoya already had a fight scheduled with hopkins so no way he could give sturm a rematch and not to mention after hopkins delahoya retired for a bit.

only reason mayweather moved up in weight if to catch delahoya money, not for the honer to fight delahoya.

if anybody has been getting away with a lot its defently floyd mayweather. let him fight delahoya but im willing to bet he wont get 8 million dollars to fight margarito after he fights delahoya.

[beezy 14]

I admire Oscar and Shane's courage alway's have I was just showing how thing's in the sport and yes money being 1 make the decisions on the next fight and HBO and everybody want's Oscar/PBF next for obvious reasons. Oscar is a challenge at 154 so I don't look at it as getting off easy,and some would argue it's a tougher challenge. However ppl predicting over 1 million buy's and PBF already having a good resumee and current P4P ranking, I believe if AM looks well in the Mitchell fight and PBF beats Oscar then this fight would be worth just as much or even more. Especially seeing as they both mess with Arum AM could help by having a bigger win on his resumee then Cintron but Arum won't do that until it's a gigantic payday that's why I don't see how you could criticize PBF. I just feel like most people that haven't got the big fight's or payday's and they really feal there the most ducked they would move up if they had to for better fight's. Margorito sure has the size to do it and I know he could get fight's there or fight a young promising up and comer even if it's not for big money to shut up the ppl who say "who has he fought". Even thow you don't like to admit it PBF got to the P4P ranking's by earning it, me and you both know he's not the most liked. So Margorito has to do the same!

[ferocity]

I admire Oscar and Shane's courage alway's have I was just showing how thing's in the sport and yes money being 1 make the decisions on the next fight and HBO and everybody want's Oscar/PBF next for obvious reasons. Oscar is a challenge at 154 so I don't look at it as getting off easy,and some would argue it's a tougher challenge. However ppl predicting over 1 million buy's and PBF already having a good resumee and current P4P ranking, I believe if AM looks well in the Mitchell fight and PBF beats Oscar then this fight would be worth just as much or even more. Especially seeing as they both mess with Arum AM could help by having a bigger win on his resumee then Cintron but Arum won't do that until it's a gigantic payday that's why I don't see how you could criticize PBF. I just feel like most people that haven't got the big fight's or payday's and they really feal there the most ducked they would move up if they had to for better fight's. Margorito sure has the size to do it and I know he could get fight's there or fight a young promising up and comer even if it's not for big money to shut up the ppl who say "who has he fought". Even thow you don't like to admit it PBF got to the P4P ranking's by earning it, me and you both know he's not the most liked. So Margorito has to do the same!

no way should margarito jump in weight just to fight a young prospect again, wont help his case.

[antihero]

Sharmba Mitchell is turning into a professional opponent. Margarito will beat him inside the distance.

[beezy 14]

Ferocity So if you understand that then you understand PBF doing what's best for his career now as well, he's not the 1st to track Oscar and if PBF and Margorito were in the opposite situation AM would do the same thing and wouldn't blame him. Having beat Oscar holds more weight on your resumee then AM anyday and it brings a bigger payday also it's the logical next fight, this is why Shane will stay up amd fight Vargas again instead of fight a tough AM for half the money at best at welter. PPL understand that but not PBF that's not being biased? I know because of all the hype to fight AM as long as he stays unbeaten it'll happen in the next year IMO.

[beezy 14]

And ferocity you say it won't help his cause is that because of the Santos fight's? I would love for you to post those for me because I havn't seen them but have heard he struggled and didn't look good there. All I'm saying is it's not like him moving up is a big disadvantage like Shane or PBF or even Oscar earlier in his career. So if he can't get the big fight's and paydays and your "the most feared man in boxing" then why can't he as well. The same PBF you always are dogging has done it and beat several fighter's that are bigger,stronger,older and equally talented(Judah) and overcame. He also rematched Castillo immediately after the close fight because you said Oscar did this and you gave him credit PBF did this and he WON the 1 fight. You also forgot that in some of PBF fight's people predicted he would lose as some are doing with this Oscar bout. that's fine but don't say it's not a good win or try to discredit it like in the past.

[ferocity]

Ferocity So if you understand that then you understand PBF doing what's best for his career now as well, he's not the 1st to track Oscar and if PBF and Margorito were in the opposite situation AM would do the same thing and wouldn't blame him. Having beat Oscar holds more weight on your resumee then AM anyday and it brings a bigger payday also it's the logical next fight, this is why Shane will stay up amd fight Vargas again instead of fight a tough AM for half the money at best at welter. PPL understand that but not PBF that's not being biased? I know because of all the hype to fight AM as long as he stays unbeaten it'll happen in the next year IMO.

i've already said, i'd do the samething as mayweather and margarito said he'd also take on delahoya

but i give negative comments on floyd cause he has yet to fight a real welterweight and could have already have fought margarito if he really wanted to prove his p4p status. but you're fight the fight will eventually happen