GGG's Narrative Changes: "I am boxer. I am not killer."

[SweetPbfAli]

Considering there isn't a real such thing as Pound for Pound rankings, so we can technically only judge "elite-ness" within a division.... I'd say- yes, the second best guy in the Middleweight division is elite, however, I was referring more to his skill set. Not many fighters in ANY division has the complete package that Jacobs doesn't have.

Hell, he even showed an improved chin last night. That was his biggest knock. Speed, footwork, power, etc... Jacobs takes out basically anyone at 160....

You're changing the narrative and definition of elite to suit your agenda. Danny has never been considered an elite fighter. GGG has been based on other things and the skill gap present versus his previous opposition. He fought an above average middleweight and he barely won.

It's possible Danny never had as bad of a chin as everyone thought and that GGG isn't as great as he's made out to be. I think it's both of those things. Danny fought a great strategical fight and GGG literally had very few answers. Hell, there were times GGG didn't even cut the ring off and he's a master at that which led me to believe he was a bit frustrated and confused with the movement and multiple looks Danny gave him. I think Danny should've pushed him back just a bit more and jabbed up and down more. Those 2 things were hugely successful.

[Eff Pandas]

He's always been a boxer with great technical skill. He's been stereotyped as a meathead terminator and it's the result of 1. His critics displaying his skill level and 2. A handful of his fans thinking that the only factors that make him successful are his power and his chin.

This.

Thats why I couldn't really envision much chance for Jacobs having success last night, let alone winning.

And more towards the 1st post why do people put so much on fighters post-fight interviews or interviews in general. Probably the worst time to take someone seriously is after they've been hit in the head for 30 odd minutes. Not to mention there is always going to be spin control by anyone smarter than a gnat cuz thats kinda human nature to explain away things to make yourself look better or less bad.

[King_]

You're changing the narrative and definition of elite to suit your agenda. Danny has never been considered an elite fighter. GGG has been based on other things and the skill gap present versus his previous opposition. He fought an above average middleweight and he barely won.

It's possible Danny never had as bad of a chin as everyone thought and that GGG isn't as great as he's made out to be. I think it's both of those things. Danny fought a great strategical fight and GGG literally had very few answers. Hell, there were times GGG didn't even cut the ring off and he's a master at that which led me to believe he was a bit frustrated and confused with the movement and multiple looks Danny gave him. I think Danny should've pushed him back just a bit more and jabbed up and down more. Those 2 things were hugely successful.

So basically, you wrote a paragraph and didn't answer my question with nothing other then:

"Danny has never been considered an elite fighter."


Nice break down, bro. But that's not how it works. Danny jacobs has ALWAYS been considered a hell of a fighter..... sorry to break it to you. And even if he wasn't- it still wouldn't matter..... because a guy isn't determined to be elite or not based on what what some internet message board random perceives to be the official perception of what he thinks a fighters level is

[Mike D]

He fought an above average middleweight and he barely won.

Above average? He was the #2 rated MW in the world going into last night!! He has one loss in his entire career -- a loss in which he was ahead on all score cards when he got caught. An 85% KO percentage.

That's "above average"? Dude freaking KO'd a 32-0-1 Peter Quillin in the first round for f**k's sake...

[SweetPbfAli]

So basically, you wrote a paragraph and didn't answer my question with nothing other then:

"Danny has never been considered an elite fighter."


Nice break down, bro. But that's not how it works. Danny jacobs has ALWAYS been considered a hell of a fighter..... sorry to break it to you. And even if he wasn't- it still wouldn't matter..... because a guy isn't determined to be elite or not based on what what some internet message board random perceives to be the official perception of what he thinks a fighters level is

But you just told us what "elite-ness' is perceived to be. The hell with my opinion, I've never heard Danny referred to amongst boxing scribes, message board posters or fellow fighters as elite. Does that work for you, "bro"? Is he a very good fighter? Absolutely but I've seen that he's elite and a lightheavyweight after last night because it dulls the fact that GGG didn't look great at all. Pretty easy to see what it going on there and I actually like both fighters but not a "fan" of neither.

You actually responded with much of nothing as well.

[-PBP-]

Above average? He was the #2 rated MW in the world going into last night!! He has one loss in his entire career -- a loss in which he was ahead on all score cards when he got caught. An 85% KO percentage.

That's "above average"? Dude freaking KO'd a 32-0-1 Peter Quillin in the first round for f**k's sake...

I see where you're coming from but he's #2 by default. With GGG, he's earned his #1 spot by beating numbers top 5 and top 10 contenders. Jacobs has only beaten 1.

He moved up the rankings because GGG was knocking everyone else down the rankings.

I can't call a guy elite with one top 10 win.

[Eff Pandas]

Danny has never been considered an elite fighter

What is an elite fighter, in your terms, if the #2 or #3 guy in a division isn't considered elite?

Who are all the elite fighters in boxing right now? I assume its a short list if a top 3 spot in a division doesn't classify you as elite.

Maybe I just got a looser definition than some of you cats cuz to me elite & world class are virtually interchangable terms & basically anyone top ten (& probably top 20ish in most divisions) at a minimum are world class or elite caliber fighters to me.

[SweetPbfAli]

Above average? He was the #2 rated MW in the world going into last night!! He has one loss in his entire career -- a loss in which he was ahead on all score cards when he got caught. An 85% KO percentage.

That's "above average"? Dude freaking KO'd a 32-0-1 Peter Quillin in the first round for f**k's sake...

I'm going by the eye test. We all know this middleweight division is sorely lacking in talent and has been for some time. Let me rephrase, Danny and GGG are the best middleweights in the world in an average division at best. I'm very aware of his KO percentage and record but win you point to quillin as a signature win, I think that says a lot. Granted, I did not expect that knockout but when you're trying throwing bombs the way they were, someone was bound to get caught and it was Peter.

[Mike D]

I can't call a guy elite with one top 10 win.

Fair enough, but he's close (if he's not there already). And even though he technically only has that one kind of career defining win (Quillin), he could have easily gotten that decision last night over Gennady Golovkin...

[joseph5620]

If anything, the narrative change just created an even bigger monster.

Now we know this guy can go 12 rounds against skillful and elite movers and boxers, and still out-jab, hurt and win the decision by utilizing patient and methodical boxing, not so much seek and destroy at all costs? Damn

Who has the package to beat this guy?

I'm pretty sure you never called Jacobs elite before this fight. Elevating his status after the fight seems like an excuse for Golovkin's performance.. Jacobs has never been on any pound for pound list and I don't recall you or anybody else ever calling him "elite"

Jacobs was rightfully a 7-1 underdog. That's normally not the case for truly elite fighters.