Where does Mayweather rank realistically on an all time list?

[Larry the boss]

Bro being in the era Floyd was in and beating the guys beat is a tremendous feat. But he never had to deal with a murders row type of competition. And because of that it limits Floyds ceiling on the all time scale.

20th all time is where he belongs and it's a spot not to look down on.

IMO if he wanted to be higher in the scale he needed at least one or two wins over guys he was the clear cut underdog. He never had a win where he did the impossible, because in this era that is what's needed to be considered TBE.

Look at his record and in not one of his fights was he an underdog. And you have to take your hat off to Floyd for that but imo that speaks also to the type of competition he had to deal with. And imo it was rather weak compared to past eras.

what fight would he have been a clear cut underdog from 130-154?

[BIG GUNZ]

why would Marciano be debatable?

Since most of his success was at the end of his career. The first 3/4ths of his career were against easy opposition. What makes him an all time great is against who he fought in his last 12 fights starting with Louis.

[Johnny2x2x]

Top 5. At worst top 10.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

what fight would he have been a clear cut underdog from 130-154?

He could have went to middleweight, that's doing the impossible. It's just the comp he had from 130-154 was not a murders row type of comp he had to deal with, so that limits his ceiling on the all time lists.

Could he have been the greatest of all time? Possible but he never did the impossible.

Look you are acting like being 20th all time is some kind of bad spot. Dude that's an amazing spot considering the era he was a part of.

[Larry the boss]

He could have went to middleweight, that's doing the impossible. It's just the comp he had from 130-154 was not a murders row type of comp he had to deal with, so that limits his ceiling on the all time lists.

Could he have been the greatest of all time? Possible but he never did the impossible.

Look you are acting like being 20th all time is some kind of bad spot. Dude that's an amazing spot considering the era he was a part of.

i am not acting like anything i simply asked a question and you answered it..what 19 fighters would you rank ahead him?

[Dr Rumack]

Top 30 I would say. Maybe even top 20 in time, but it's tough because he doesn't have the really great wins. He has Castillo and Corrales, very good wins for sure. But against the bigger names the fights always came too late. Oscar, Mosley, even Cotto came after two savage beatdowns at the hands of Manny and Margarito. The Pacquiao fight itself came 5 years after it should have happened. Doesn't matter why, that's just the way it went down.

You look at what Leonard did in 22 months between '79 and '81 and honestly it pisses all over Floyd's entire career. Doesn't mean that Floyd's not a great fighter. Just that he didn't leave behind a career that puts him in the very highest echelon.

[Madison Boxing]

Which is why you don't apply 2017 standards to 1932. You apply 1932 standards to 1932. This isn't meant to be a head to head comparison. That explains your bizarre ranking of Floyd.

If you were a great of a very strong era, most people would make that a major factor.

The modern era is very weak. Promotional problems, abundances of titles, excessive diva behaviour, 'business first', fighting twice a year etc.

I'll happily side with the consensus of people who know the history and heritage of this sport, over a couple of casuals on this forum

the era floyd fought in wasnt weak at all. de la hoya, pacquiao, mosley, canelo, castillo, corrales, cotto, maidana amongst many other world level fighters- these arent bums hes beating. To consistently fight world level opposition from a young age and go 49-0 is incredible. the fighters from the pasts achievements get exaggerated in my opinio, dont care if people think that makes me a casual but i'd counter it by saying for some reason in boxing and in many sports, the trait of glorifying the past is something people adopt in order to seem more knowledgable and hardcore. People set these old fighters up to some ridiculous standards that no fighter is ever going to acheive again, but when you examine their records you realise they fought a hell of a lot of bums to pad out their records and almost all of them are from the same country. Greb for example fought pretty much all americans and canadians, it was a domestic scene back then. The 20th best fighter back then is likely to be the 200th odd these days cause its international A lot of them have losses to some real ****e on there record too, whereas we shrug it off for them, if mayweather had an off night against some bum and lost we would all be shouting 'exposed!!!', he'd get absolutely crucified. And lastly i watch some of the old fighters highlights and they are slow as **** compared to mayweather. I know theres advances in sports science or whatever but im not having it that someone who looks sloppy as **** on the videos should be rated way higher than mayweather. just my thoughts.

[Dr Rumack]

Look at his record and in not one of his fights was he an underdog. And you have to take your hat off to Floyd for that but imo that speaks also to the type of competition he had to deal with. And imo it was rather weak compared to past eras.

I think this is true and it speaks to Pacquiao's post-featherweight run as well. Sure it was great, some dazzling performances, but he didn't beat any prime legends. Didn't beat a Benitez, a Hearns, a Duran. That's where the bar is. Manny's wins at the lower weights were legit though.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

i am not acting like anything i simply asked a question and you answered it..what 19 fighters would you rank ahead him?

Tell me this, where do you have him ranked?

In the over hundred of years that's boxing has been around there arec19 better boxers, But to have me name them all now is ridiculous.

All I know is he is not the best ever and he is no where near top 5 or top 10.

20th all time is perfect and imo it can't be higher.

In your opinion where do you have him.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Floyd is a cowardly bum supposedly. Anyone he beat therefore is even more of a bum. Since he gets no credit and the goal posts always move to detract from how great he was. Look at all these so called better fighters... they were terrible by the age of 35 lol. They get overrated due to nostalgia and hate for fighters of today. Who is even old enough to have seen Robinson or Armstrong lol. They were better doe