The Ivan Drago effect is bad for boxing

[Derranged]

Oh please, don't try to assassinate my character. Everything I said in this post is very real.

Your character speaks for itself, lad.

[Madison Boxing]

low balled barrera is a C level fighter and 60k reflects that, its a fair offer.

[Pac=Duran]

Beterbiev just blatantly low balled Barrera, and Lomachenko did the same with Rigondeaux. Coincidentally, both are Cubans, the worst opponents you can ever face in a boxing ring.

Now, with Golovkin being such a force, any Eastern European fighter can lowball any opponent and their already biased fanbase will assume that the other party is ducking. This will set a dangerous precedent where the non Eastern Euro will be forced to accept ****ty offers in order for his stock not to plummet.

What are your thoughts on this?

I dislike the Mayweather business man ***** effect more.

[Lester Tutor]

The hell are you talking about? Lomachenko give Rigo all he would want, the catchweight of 124 and the payday, but it was Rigo who walked out because "Champion gets payday doe!" Rigo, like everyone else is a ducker and Lomachenko puts him in his place.

All he could want? Let's revise Top Ranks Stanky egotistical politics...

Who was Lineal made first? Rigo or Loma?
Who has 0 on their resume? Rigo or Loma?
Who has more fights? Rigo or Loma?

Both GRJ and Loma are dodging Rigo, both Haymon and Arum are to blame. Dibella is Haymon's henchman, but I like Lou. When media asked Rigo for Frampton after the first Leo win, Lou said Rigo was a sleeper by mannerism..

That karma came to bite them all when Carl lost the second time. Two good champs that both ducked Rigo...

But Loma gave Rigo everything he wanted? Lol. Rigo is A side

[brettWall]

The hell are you talking about? Lomachenko give Rigo all he would want, the catchweight of 124 and the payday, but it was Rigo who walked out because "Champion gets payday doe!" Rigo, like everyone else is a ducker and Lomachenko puts him in his place.

One thing seems to be common among these Cuban fighters. They beg for fights and when their bluff gets called, they suddenly want huge money they don't even deserve. Loma called Rigo's bluff and agreed to the terms Rigo and his team themselves dictated. They even backtracked with the weight they themselves set. What a joke. Don't know why these ****** posters keep changing facts which are easily available.

[boliodogs]

I think you are worried about a problem that doesn't exist. A boxer who thinks the amount offered to him for a fight is too low should turn the offer down. Nothing bad will happen to his reputation. The majority of paying boxing fans don't know or care who turned down a fight or how much money was offered. They only want to watch good fights and they don't know or care how those fights were made.If a Russian boxer won't offer a boxer a fair amount of money to fight then they should fight someone else who will pay them more. Most boxing fans would never know they turned down a fight with that Russian. The people on this forum would know all about it but we aren't like normal boxing fans. We are boxing nuts.There aren't enough boxing nerds like us in this world to have any real effect on the money a fight makes. Even if this was a problem there is nothing that can be done about it short of kicking the Eastern Europeans out of boxing and nobody can do that.

[_Maxi]

Another racist claiming racism.

[g27region]

Most boxing fans don't know about who is lowballing who. Unless it's May/Pac level stuff, only idiots like us talk about that behind-the-scenes gossip.

You say a lot of stuff I completely agree with. I can't even give you green k's anymore...

Blaming fighters of ducking like that is ****** because it's always some disagreements between their promoters, we don't know 90% of the stuff that's going on behind the scenes. Damn, I'm not even mad at Stevenson for sitting on his belt and not fighting a top quality oppoistion for a long ass time

Just like there's no point of discussing purse splits and how much money these fighters make, you ain't getting none of that anyway

[boliodogs]

All he could want? Let's revise Top Ranks Stanky egotistical politics...

Who was Lineal made first? Rigo or Loma?
Who has 0 on their resume? Rigo or Loma?
Who has more fights? Rigo or Loma?

Both GRJ and Loma are dodging Rigo, both Haymon and Arum are to blame. Dibella is Haymon's henchman, but I like Lou. When media asked Rigo for Frampton after the first Leo win, Lou said Rigo was a sleeper by mannerism..

That karma came to bite them all when Carl lost the second time. Two good champs that both ducked Rigo...

But Loma gave Rigo everything he wanted? Lol. Rigo is A side

You are a huge hater of good white Russian boxers and that is obvious by the history of your posts and your over the top hate of GGG. You are a black racist and that's also obvious by your post history.You will always take the side of the black boxer 100% of the time If a fight doesn't happen what difference does it make who was the A side? You often use karma to try to prove you are right. Karma is a just a belief that some people have that has no basis in fact.Karma has no effect on things that happen in the real world and doesn't prove your point at all. I have always been a huge Rigo fan and I don't blame him or Loma for a fight between them not happening. Some potential good fights never happen and it doesn't have to be either fighter's fault.

[KingHippo]

It is a matter of perception, but yours is actually no more valid than anybody elses. Like it or not we all carry biases and preconceptions, and we all interpret the material we absorb selectively. It's known - amongst other things - as confirmation bias. You notice what you're predisposed to notice. You see what you look for. You see a huge bias towards white Eastern Euro fighters whereas the supporters of said fighters tend to perceive a high level of criticism towards the same guys.

Anyway. Regardless - if you haven't noticed the number of threads and posts accusing various EE fighters - especially Golovkin, but also at various times Lomachenko and (more rarely) Kovalev I can only suggest you pay more attention. Valid or not, these criticisms are made on the regular.

So yeah. Sure there will be supporters of EE fighters accusing other guys of ducking, but equally there'll be plenty of folk making the counter accusations. To my mind it's all a bit silly, but that's NSB (and boxing forums in general) for you... a loada guys vociferously arguing about how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin, rarely guided by anything other than their own biased opinions - and I don't exclude myself from that.

The balance of the bias will always fall in the favor of the Eastern European fighter because of demographics, and it's not simply because of race, even though it plays a part in it. This thread really is a plea for people to address their bias and adjust their perceptions.

We all have our biases, but at the end of the day, facts prevail. Now, can you honestly say, with your admitted bias, that the Barrera offer was fair? Or that Rigo deserved such a meager pittance for fighting Lomachenko? I personally think the Lomachenko offer was an obviously hostile one, I'm still waiting for a Lomachenko fan to agree as I've seen many Rigo fans accuse him of ducking.

In the case of the Barrera fight, I would've considered the offer to be low, but as someone earlier mentioned, it was the IBF rules, so that's irrelevant now. I was just annoyed by people jumping at conclusions because it fits their narrative.

And just for the record, I have absolutely nothing against EE fighters, as a matter of fact I'm a big fan, I'm just annoyed by the cheerleaders and their ulterior motives.