The Ivan Drago effect is bad for boxing

[KingHippo]

The hell are you talking about? Lomachenko give Rigo all he would want, the catchweight of 124 and the payday, but it was Rigo who walked out because "Champion gets payday doe!" Rigo, like everyone else is a ducker and Lomachenko puts him in his place.

He only offered 500k from a total 1.3 million purse if I remember and Loma was still a nobody at the time.

[Redd Foxx]

Most boxing fans don't know about who is lowballing who. Unless it's May/Pac level stuff, only idiots like us talk about that behind-the-scenes gossip.

[NEETzsche]

$500k for Rigondeaux is nowhere near a lowball offer

And Beterbiev didn't set the IBF rules that the higher ranked fighter gets 75% of the purse in an eliminator (which I agree is unfair, especially considering how arbitrary their rankings often are)

[j0zef]

Sorry but no. Floyd lowballed virtually everyone he faced after he became a star. So did Manny. Canelo low balled Jr and Golovkin. Golovkin somehow was able to lowball Monroe for 100k. Ward magically got 5m while Kovalev only got 2m for a PPV.

This "white eastern euros are privileged" nonsense needs to stop as it has no basis in reality. Fact - there is no and there has never been a superstar eastern european boxer. Fact - vast majority of popular boxers throughout the years (say last 50) have not been white. Fact - today's 'very popular' eastern European fighters are low paid despite their status. For example, Golovkin, today's most popular eastern euro (outside of Klitchko) got paid $2M for a PPV fight. That's the same as Danny Jacobs or Erislandy Lara despite them having 1/10 the popularity.

So no, eastern euros are not privileged, they don't get special treatment, and they're not overpaid.

[KingHippo]

$500k for Rigondeaux is nowhere near a lowball offer

And Beterbiev didn't set the IBF rules that the higher ranked fighter gets 75% of the purse in an eliminator (which I agree is unfair, especially considering how arbitrary their rankings often are)

I could've sworn it was 50/50 for eliminators. If that's the case, I stand corrected.

As for 500k for Rigo, it was a joke. Loma didn't deserve the lion's share at the time, I think he was 4-1 and coming off the Gary Russell win at the time. Rigo was the biggest name and it should've been at least 50/50, especially considering that Rigo was the one moving up.

[Motorcity Cobra]

He didn't lowball him. Beterbiev team won the purse bid. Main Events should win one once in a while and get more money for their fighters

[KingHippo]

Sorry but no. Floyd lowballed virtually everyone he faced after he became a star. So did Manny. Canelo low balled Jr and Golovkin. Golovkin somehow was able to lowball Monroe for 100k. Ward magically got 5m while Kovalev only got 2m for a PPV.

This "white eastern euros are privileged" nonsense needs to stop as it has no basis in reality. Fact - there is no and there has never been a superstar eastern european boxer. Fact - vast majority of popular boxers throughout the years (say last 50) have not been white. Fact - today's 'very popular' eastern European fighters are low paid despite their status. For example, Golovkin, today's most popular eastern euro (outside of Klitchko) got paid $2M for a PPV fight. That's the same as Danny Jacobs or Erislandy Lara despite them having 1/10 the popularity.

So no, eastern euros are not privileged, they don't get special treatment, and they're not overpaid.

It's not privilege, it's perception. Anyone who declines a fight against an Eastern Euro will be accused of ducking no matter what, and you know this.

[NEETzsche]

I could've sworn it was 50/50 for eliminators. If that's the case, I stand corrected.

As for 500k for Rigo, it was a joke. Loma didn't deserve the lion's share at the time, I think he was 4-1 and coming off the Gary Russell win at the time. Rigo was the biggest name and it should've been at least 50/50, especially considering that Rigo was the one moving up.

Loma's purse was none of Rigo's business, his minimum was decided independently between him and Arum. Rigo turning down $500k when the alternative was absolutely nothing was a ****** move, almost like he didn't really want the fight in the first place

[Citizen Koba]

It's not privilege, it's perception. Anyone who declines a fight against an Eastern Euro will be accused of ducking no matter what, and you know this.

It is a matter of perception, but yours is actually no more valid than anybody elses. Like it or not we all carry biases and preconceptions, and we all interpret the material we absorb selectively. It's known - amongst other things - as confirmation bias. You notice what you're predisposed to notice. You see what you look for. You see a huge bias towards white Eastern Euro fighters whereas the supporters of said fighters tend to perceive a high level of criticism towards the same guys.

Anyway. Regardless - if you haven't noticed the number of threads and posts accusing various EE fighters - especially Golovkin, but also at various times Lomachenko and (more rarely) Kovalev I can only suggest you pay more attention. Valid or not, these criticisms are made on the regular.

So yeah. Sure there will be supporters of EE fighters accusing other guys of ducking, but equally there'll be plenty of folk making the counter accusations. To my mind it's all a bit silly, but that's NSB (and boxing forums in general) for you... a loada guys vociferously arguing about how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin, rarely guided by anything other than their own biased opinions - and I don't exclude myself from that.

[RetroSpeed05]

I could've sworn it was 50/50 for eliminators. If that's the case, I stand corrected.

As for 500k for Rigo, it was a joke. Loma didn't deserve the lion's share at the time, I think he was 4-1 and coming off the Gary Russell win at the time. Rigo was the biggest name and it should've been at least 50/50, especially considering that Rigo was the one moving up.

loma has Arum HBO backing him, Rigo has nobody and couldn't get a fight. What did he fight ****ins for?