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Probably Crawford. Crawford knows how to cut off the ring and his switch fighting would be too much for Floyd.
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Well Floyd can't control if Mosley has a dentist appointment or if giving blood weakens Manny and he's afraid of needles.
In those cases, you can't give any blame whatsoever to Floyd if you want to make every discussion "black OR white".
Obviously there's always more to it, but it's clear no 1 person was wholly responsible.Comment
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it was clear floyd was bluffing though so you dont get credit for bluffing and getting caught. he kept saying take the test take the test pac said ok and he changed his demands to a 40 millino flat offer which was absurd. you cant then say but he would have fought pac if he only took the test! logically its inconsistent. you are blaming pac for not calling floyds bluff earlier which is fine but it doesnt change that he was bluffing and didnt want the fight.
you also brought up hoya and floyd mutually ducked ..uh when? they were always 2-3 divisions apart. floyd was just using hoyas name. we know this because floyd also used winkys name and when winky accepted the fight what happened...floyd changed the money(thats his calling card to get out of fights if you havent noticed) so theres also no reason to think that if hoya had accepted the fight floyd wouldn't have done the same and killed the fight.
you cant ignore critical pieces of evidence just to further your argument. thats called cherry picking and floyd fans should know what that means.Comment
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yes they are literally insane! there was one person who did not like his chances against marg and that was floyd mayweather. if marg really fought like baldomir that fight would have been made in a second. #1 ranked guy, most money, mexican fanbase...instead he chose mitchel, judah, baldomir, retirement. thats cool that you think floyd would have won easily but floyd himself doesnt think that so you give him even more credit than he gives himself.Definitely NOT like Margarito. The primary distinguishing factor between Maidana/JLC and Margarito is their variety. Both Maidana and JLC could give Floyd different looks and had underrated defenses.
These videos demonstrate how Maidana crouches down low and sports a high guard to close the distance and eliminate Floyd from jabbing/countering "on the way in". This relegated Floyd to almost exclusively using movement as a means to avoid being hit.
Margarito does not do any of this. He comes right at you and eats punches flush on the way in. Similarly Margarito is far less "awkward" than Maidana/JLC in the sense that he is literally the conventional plodder/stalker. Floyd has always done well against those fighters (Baldomir, etc.), but the crafty stalkers (JLC, Maidana) who can switch up their height and modes of attack fare much better.
The conspiracists who think Margs would've EVER troubled Floyd are literally insane. Paul Williams would have been much more difficult for Floyd because at least PWill was fast in addition to being SIGNIFICANTLY taller and with a MUCH greater reach. Margs was only taller with a slightly longer reach, but SIGNIFICANTLY slower in every aspect.
Just no chance, ever, for Margs. Boxing myth dispelledComment
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One who is not a cherrypick, don't have Bayless on his side and hasn't bought the judges.Comment
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the topic of the discussion is, what gameplan/style could beat Floyd Mayweather, not, why didn't Manny take the test, or why did Shane cop out on a toothache....
yeah, there were fighters @ ww who were at their peak, or more fresher versions of themselves that for whatever reason Floyd didn't fight that version, point blank...and nobody wants to hear the excuses because Floyd brought the big $, just like Ali, Oscar, Sugar Ray, and those guys have plenty of prime vs. prime fights that were made with no problem...what was Floyd's dilemma?
analyzing why and all that mess always seems to drag out the worst in these Floyd fans, because the discussion quickly digresses into who was more responsible for the fights being made, and not only is it tired, weak, and grossly biased towards Floyd, but totally irrelevant...Comment
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This discussion was not about Floyd's weight, it's about what type of game plan or style beats Floyd.
To answer your question though...no, Trinidad imo gets his ears boxed off. Trinidad struggled with Oscar, and Oscar was a great fighter, but Floyd would not have been so foolish to take his foot off the gas in the most important fight of his life, he certainly would've had the cardio to keep going as well.
Nostalgic thinking cannot be used here. One cannot say, because Trinidad, Oscar, Leonard, etc, etc were great fighters of their era and sooooo "beloved" they would've beaten Floyd. Leonard had a hard time with Floyd's old man, and Jr is a MUCH better overall fighter than him.
I stated my opinion early in this thread that Winky would've beaten Floyd. At 154 or 147 Floyd was not strong enough to get through his guard and his constant jab.Comment
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