What gameplan/boxing style defeats Mayweather?

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  • therealpugilist
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    #111
    Originally posted by Metho_4u
    Mosley completely avoided agreeing to fight Floyd and said his tooth was loose lmao!

    https://********/g3HkxRSP2G0
    I see why the ****roaches scattered lol


    many of the people saying he ducked this person or that werent even following boxing when he was calling them out

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    • Metho_4u
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      #112
      Originally posted by therealpugilist
      I see why the ****roaches scattered lol


      many of the people saying he ducked this person or that werent even following boxing when he was calling them out
      No, they weren't, I recall all of these interviews live, good stuff. Don't worry the Floyd ducked so and so crowd will move to a different thread

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      • therealpugilist
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        #113
        Originally posted by richardt
        Hearns was already past it when he fought Barkley. Leonard is in the equation too because that era was defined in a huge way by Leonard so you look at eras as a whole. How is the guys Duran lost to in his prime considered "lessor" fighters which is what the discussion was - that Floyd never lost to lesser fighters. Well neither did Hearns, Duran, or Leonard in their prime. On top of that, Floyd NEVER fought high level ATG's like the 70's/80's welterweights did so his resume and competition didnt match these guys. Again, Floyd is not responsible for that but the facts are the facts. The greatest Welterweight era was their era overwhelmingly. The latest Welterweight era was defined by two fighters who would not face each other in their prime.
        ...so whats your point....fighters cant pick eras....in 49 fights the man was in over 20 world titles fights....beat over 20 world titleholders....a dozen of them held lineal titles at some point in their careers.....he won lineal titles in 4/5 weight classes

        proof is in the pudding. he had the best resume of the era.

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        • Lester Tutor
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          #114
          only way to beat Floyd is to yell mid rounds ''Floyd, your bank account has been seized by the Federal Govt.''

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          • therealpugilist
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            #115
            Originally posted by Metho_4u
            No, they weren't, I recall all of these interviews live, good stuff. Don't worry the Floyd ducked so and so crowd will move to a different thread
            i saw the stuff live too when he was pretty boy floyd...merchant was a prick and he was trying to be a mini leonard until he fought Gatti, he got grimy with the trash talk.....he was high risk low reward and calling guys out..they just repeat things they read some so called journalist typed.

            now they cant act like it never happened....thanks youtube

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            • Kigali
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              #116
              Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet
              And Ray Robinson lost vs a Mexican baker lol learn about boxing. I understand you are mad because JCC fuc.ked all the Ricans but learn how to be objective
              I ain't rican.

              Chavez quit against Randal and gave away his WBA title rather than fight Raphael Pineda.

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              • H-Tok
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                #117
                Originally posted by Thraxox
                And sadly, none of the 49 attempts were an A level fighter in their primes.
                That's just hate.

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                • Bjl12
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                  #118
                  Originally posted by Thraxox
                  Unrelenting pressure (ALA Maidana, Margarito) type of pressures that is never afraid to take a punch to punch.

                  Boxing outside his range. (requires good defense and must be taller and longer than floyd)

                  Counter punching (Must be taller and longer than floyd and has fast reaction time and handspeed.) Needing A level ring I.Q to when to hit and when to not hit.

                  Awkwardness (A freaky jerky fighter that has great stamina, that sets him off.)
                  Definitely NOT like Margarito. The primary distinguishing factor between Maidana/JLC and Margarito is their variety. Both Maidana and JLC could give Floyd different looks and had underrated defenses.



                  These videos demonstrate how Maidana crouches down low and sports a high guard to close the distance and eliminate Floyd from jabbing/countering "on the way in". This relegated Floyd to almost exclusively using movement as a means to avoid being hit.

                  Margarito does not do any of this. He comes right at you and eats punches flush on the way in. Similarly Margarito is far less "awkward" than Maidana/JLC in the sense that he is literally the conventional plodder/stalker. Floyd has always done well against those fighters (Baldomir, etc.), but the crafty stalkers (JLC, Maidana) who can switch up their height and modes of attack fare much better.

                  The conspiracists who think Margs would've EVER troubled Floyd are literally insane. Paul Williams would have been much more difficult for Floyd because at least PWill was fast in addition to being SIGNIFICANTLY taller and with a MUCH greater reach. Margs was only taller with a slightly longer reach, but SIGNIFICANTLY slower in every aspect.

                  Just no chance, ever, for Margs. Boxing myth dispelled

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                  • Bjl12
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by djtmal
                    i don't think Floyd, will ever be as beloved as the guys you mentioned, because what you cats miss is, these dudes are beloved, because they took the risky fights, win or lose, with the baddest dudes on the block when they were in their prime...they didn't have the luxury Floyd had, of fighting guys when it made more sense $wise, than legacywise...

                    you think Floyd should be more beloved, because he never lost, but it don't work like that....
                    There aren't more than 3-4 fights I can think of where Floyd (explicitly) "ducked" guys in their prime. Pacquiao is not one of them (see drug testing, cutoff dates, blood weakens me, outdoor stadium, etc.). I'm not blaming Pac, but he was just as responsible as Floyd (if not more) for the fight happening so late.

                    Prime Judah and prime Cotto were two I always wanted to see sooner than they happened as well as prime PWill. Prime Mosley and DLH would've been fun, but those matchups were "ducked" mutually like the Pac matchup.

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                    • djtmal
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                      #120
                      Originally posted by Metho_4u
                      Trinidad? Marga******o? Williams? The guy that got beaten by Quintana? You don't think Floyd would've figured him out?

                      Marga******o never would catch Floyd, he'd get frustrated and lose a boring decision.

                      Trinidad lost to DLH imo, he lost everything rd to Wright...nope he didn't have the boxing iq.

                      I think Floyd would even frustrate Duran into another no mas
                      this guy is barely top ten all-time @ ww, has zero wins against an atg prime ww, yet nobody has a chance in hell huh...lol

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