Comments Thread For: The Deontay Wilder Conundrum

[Vasyl’s dad]

20 years is a long time. everything evolves so quickly. size, strength, speed, nutrition, training techniques, recovery techniques, medicine, supplements, etc. it doesn't make any sense that the best from '97 would beat the best from '17.

we think of lennox lewis as great because of the way he dominated those around him in his time. we're comparing him against others from '97 and how much better or worse he was than those in that time.

which can trick us into thinking he was actually better than a deontay wilder or an anthony joshua. because we're comparing them against the best in their time. but the best in their time are way better than the best in lewis's time.

the idea that wilder would absolutely destroy ali and tyson doesn't sit well with people. those are our heroes. they've been put on a pedestal. but simple logic dictates that the best from '17 in something as physical as boxing would wipe the mat with the best from '97 or '77.

1997 top 10
Oscar
Roy
Felix
Pernell
Holyfield
Norris
Jr. Jones
Lopez
Quarter
Johnson

Vs today's top 10 and today's is better?

Today's top 10 has 7 undefeated fighters. Not because they are better, but they don't fight as much.
2 guys have combined for less than 20 fights.

[original zero]

Absolute strawpolling.

You're now saying fighters who weighed more back in the day weighed more than wilder does now because they were all on drugs.

And oout of everything.. thats all you could say. Night night.

are you denying they were all on drugs? if you are, you don't know **** about boxing . . .

[joe strong]

Vitali won the WBO in his 25th fight.

Both brothers fought for multiple intercontinental and EBU titles in a time when that was the gatekeep of getting to world championshp bouts. As evident when Vitali had to go right back down to that level after defending his WBO belt 5 times.

Wilder fought for the WBC continental americas title...

If you think that belt constitutes the same level of opponents as some of the EBU belt belt holders from the late 90's then you should have no problem in saying its current holder dominic breazeale was a brilliant opponent for AJ's 17th pro fight.

If you look back into the WBO history it was nothing more than a regional belt like the NABF, NABO, EU belt, etc. It never got recognized until around 2004. It was a stepping stone belt nothing more. The WBO was more based out of Europe back then. Multiple guys vacated it to get a shot at the WBA, WBC or IBF belt. When Tyson was undisputed the WBO decided to make a belt & call it a World Title. Johnny DuPlooy & Francesco Damiani fought for the inaugural belt. Moorer, Bowe, Mercer, Corrie Sanders all dumped it to get a bigger fight. It was lightly regarded back then & it wouldn't allow it's champion to unify so guys just threw it in the garbage. Google the WBO belt. It's all right there. All the guys who held the WBO belt before Lamon Brewster were not considered world champion. Even when Sanders knocked out Wlad it still was not recognized. I believe it became a legit World tile when Brewster & Wlad fought for the vacant belt. I got no problem calling Breazeale a decent opponent. B level fringe contender. Herbie Hide, Axel Schulz, Ed Mahone & Vaughn Bean to me are not as good as guys like Breazeale, Molina or Washington. Vitali's only tough opponent in my eyes during his WBO reign was Chris Byrd. Wlad fought way better guys during his first WBO reign beating guys like Byrd, Shufford, Botha, McCline, Jefferson...

[crold1]

Wilder just weighed in less than what both Tyson and Holyfield fought at!?!

Slow down...Mike didn't come in at 222 until WAY into his career; according to BoxRec, not until Holy officially. At his best, he was around 218. Holy was never that big; he was below 210 for a lot of his first title reign.

Beyond that, both ice this kid so carry on.

[LoadedWraps]

By Cliff Rold - The bricks are being laid in the foundation of what plenty in boxing's power circles hope will be a mega-event. The idea of, eventually, getting to a showdown between an undefeated Anthony Joshua and an undefeated Deontay Wilder just smells like money. How much money, whether it could get from what would already be a pretty big fight to the area of legitimate superfight, probably relies on two things...
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What AJ, Wilder, Povetkin, Ortiz, and Wlad do are just minor details, what Fury does shapes and defines the division.

[Sergio 1]

I really like how boxing Wilder. I do not think he can beat Anthony Joshua. Wilder did not fight for a long time. The trauma of the right hand is the main problem Deonteya Wilder. Today, let's see how Deontay show itself after a long pause

[PunchyPotorff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
"If Wilder keeps winning, he’s going to get to the big payday. Finding the foes that finish his validation will determine whether he gets there as a genuine co-star in the event."

He isn't looking for the 'right' foes. He's running from them as fast as he can. Talks more b.s. than a shady used car salesman with a bad combover, Ban-Lon slacks, white shoes, matching white belt.

LOL

Why can't his team (him included) play the risk/reward game like every other fighter does? Especially in a thin division...This cat ain't running from nobody, Ortiz included.

Oh ok. I guess all other top 10 HWs seem to usually have little problem matching with formidable opposition... EXCEPT Wilder. Wow, that sure is convenient for him. You'd think he planned it that way. Nah... must be a coincidence. LOL

[PunchyPotorff]

If he loses, he loses. WTF do I care? I'm just offering an honest assessment of his resume. You're the one lying and exaggerating. If his defenses have been against club fighters, then so have AJ's. It's completely illogical to spend your time focused on criticizing Wilder's resume when he has the best resume of any current heavyweight champion.

It just makes you a hater. Plain and simple.

I dunno bub, you sure are scrambling with your alt facts a bunch. You do care, you just won't admit it. It's ok if you have a stiff bet on Wilder. I don't care. LOL

[Dr Rumack]

Good article, Cliff.

I'm not sure Wilder has such a large personality though. Neither does AJ for that matter. I think Wilder is likeable but he's not especially memorable. Fury is the dominant player in the heavyweight personality stakes by a distance, but I guess he's out of the market for the time being.

They need to get Wilder a real opponent this year. For commercial reasons if nothing else. Should AJ beat Wlad, then what's Wilder coming to table with in the way of achievements? Stiverne? That's not really going to cut it.

Sure the fight will sell anyway, but if it's going to be a legitimate heavyweight superfight then you can't have one guy coming in with no major wins.

[TexasCowBoy]

Why did he not wait for his mandatory to come up in either the WBA or WBO to wlad? he was #2 and #3 respectively back in 2014. fought a bum fight to leapfrog into WBC for no good reason. Avoided.

Had to go to Russia, not chose to. Al haymon bid measly for that fight because he knew Wilder makes no money. 7 mil purse for that fight was for Russian home advantage not prestige of WBC, same reason the EXACT same promoter bid such ****** money on pedvetkins inteirm bout.

Ive Already come back to you about why Wilder never dropped for IBF,and because they would have mandated him straight away like they always do and Pulev wasnt fighting so it would have been Joshua. Avoided.

Top competition isnt ducking him. Povetkin doped, all the rest never even entered negotiation because wilder brings no money. Only HW he is A-side to is Parker and even then it isnt PPV. Fury fought wlad because wlad was "the man" and for 3 belts and alot more money, not because he was ducking.

Joshua fought Martin because a UK sky sports PPV to win the belt brought in megabucks from UK casual fans. if he fought Wilder it would have been US free to air with no USA broadcast deal for Joshua in place and no PPV.

And before you start going on about lineage,
noone beat vitali for that belt, so being proud that the WBC belt has a lineage from Stiverne, in comparison to the other belts not having longer because of Fury's problems is a joke.

that stung the deontayduckus wilderquackus fans