Comments Thread For: The Deontay Wilder Conundrum

[original zero]

So does this apply to all of the 37 bums hes fought?

because you hate your life and are very unsuccessful, you pretend others are worse than they really are so you can feel better about yourself.

eric molina, malik scott, johann duhaupas, gerald washington, etc are all highly ranked in the IBO computerized rankings (all 4 in the top 18 at the moment). when you look through the list and realize how many guys have commitments to other organizations, it's very understandable why it takes some time for the best to fight the best.

it takes two to tango. if the boxing world thought wilder was an easy fight, everybody would be lining up to face him. they went after vacant titles instead because they knew that was the easier route.

wilder went to moscow. right then and there that should have ended any question of whether he was ducking top competition. he's not. top competition is ducking him or getting caught doping.

people complaining are just bitter losers. the division is coming together quite nicely. AJ vs wlad. wilder vs parker. things are heading in the right direction.

[yammy25]

because you hate your life and are very unsuccessful, you pretend others are worse than they really are so you can feel better about yourself.

eric molina, malik scott, johann duhaupas, gerald washington, etc are all highly ranked in the IBO computerized rankings (all 4 in the top 18 at the moment). when you look through the list and realize how many guys have commitments to other organizations, it's very understandable why it takes some time for the best to fight the best.

it takes two to tango. if the boxing world thought wilder was an easy fight, everybody would be lining up to face him. they went after vacant titles instead because they knew that was the easier route.

wilder HAD to moscow. right then and there that should have ended any question of whether he was ducking top competition. he's not. top competition is ducking him or getting caught doping.

people complaining are just bitter losers. the division is coming together quite nicely. AJ vs wlad. wilder vs parker. things are heading in the right direction.

Why did he not wait for his mandatory to come up in either the WBA or WBO to wlad? he was #2 and #3 respectively back in 2014. fought a bum fight to leapfrog into WBC for no good reason. Avoided.

Had to go to Russia, not chose to. Al haymon bid measly for that fight because he knew Wilder makes no money. 7 mil purse for that fight was for Russian home advantage not prestige of WBC, same reason the EXACT same promoter bid such ****** money on pedvetkins inteirm bout.

Ive Already come back to you about why Wilder never dropped for IBF,and because they would have mandated him straight away like they always do and Pulev wasnt fighting so it would have been Joshua. Avoided.

Top competition isnt ducking him. Povetkin doped, all the rest never even entered negotiation because wilder brings no money. Only HW he is A-side to is Parker and even then it isnt PPV. Fury fought wlad because wlad was "the man" and for 3 belts and alot more money, not because he was ducking.

Joshua fought Martin because a UK sky sports PPV to win the belt brought in megabucks from UK casual fans. if he fought Wilder it would have been US free to air with no USA broadcast deal for Joshua in place and no PPV.

And before you start going on about lineage,
noone beat vitali for that belt, so being proud that the WBC belt has a lineage from Stiverne, in comparison to the other belts not having longer because of Fury's problems is a joke.

[SUBZER0ED]

Wilder has 37 fights, while Joshua has 18. Yet it's Joshua who signed a deal to fight Klitschko. I never heard Wilder call out Wladimir & if Joshua beats him, Deontay probably won't call out Anthony either. He's the HW version of Stevenson.

[Sugarhitman]

Let's be honest. We both know you're a giant loser in real life. I would bet so much money on that it's not even funny.

Hes also very very lame...Just read his ****** post.

[original zero]

Why did he not wait for his mandatory to come up in either the WBA or WBO to wlad? he was #2 and #3 respectively back in 2014. fought a bum fight to leapfrog into WBC for no good reason. Avoided.

First of all, Haymon generally does not do business with the WBO. Second of all, the WBC is the most valuable and respected title and since that is the organization Haymon has the most influence with, it would make the most sense for Wilder to go that route. Haymon does have sway with the WBA as well, but back then Wilder would have had to go for the interim, try to get upgraded to regular, then try to go for the super, etc. A giant mess. There's no doubt going for the WBC was the smartest move.

Had to go to Russia, not chose to. Al haymon bid measly for that fight because he knew Wilder makes no money. 7 mil purse for that fight was for Russian home advantage not prestige of WBC, same reason the EXACT same promoter bid such ****** money on pedvetkins inteirm bout.

The facts don't support your position. Haymon bid over 5 million. So it wasn't just a crazy Russian over bidding. We can look at WBC heavyweight purse bids vs WBO heavyweight purse bids and there is no comparison. I'm not sure why you're even trying to dispute that the WBC belt is more prestigious than the WBO.

Wilder had to go to Russia if he wanted to keep his WBC title. But that doesn't mean he had to go. We just saw Canelo throw away his WBC title to duck GGG. The fact that Wilder refused to duck and flew to enemy territory should be applauded. Criticizing Wilder is ridiculous and just shows that you're a blatant hater.

Ive Already come back to you about why Wilder never dropped for IBF,and because they would have mandated him straight away like they always do and Pulev wasnt fighting so it would have been Joshua. Avoided.

Doesn't make any sense. First of all, the IBF mandatory had just been satisfied. Second of all, at that point in time, bringing AJ to the US would have been considered a safer fight than going to Russia to face Povetkin.

Top competition isnt ducking him. Povetkin doped, all the rest never even entered negotiation because wilder brings no money. Only HW he is A-side to is Parker and even then it isnt PPV. Fury fought wlad because wlad was "the man" and for 3 belts and alot more money, not because he was ducking.

Haymon is trying to kill off PPV, so that argument doesn't make any sense. I'm not even convinced Wilder-Joshua would be PPV here. You say Wilder brings no money, yet his purse bid was over double that have Parker. And now Parker is deep in negotiations to fight Wilder. Why would that be if Wilder doesn't bring any money to the table? You're not making any sense.

Joshua fought Martin because a UK sky sports PPV to win the belt brought in megabucks from UK casual fans. if he fought Wilder it would have been US free to air with no USA broadcast deal for Joshua in place and no PPV.

So Joshua-Wilder wouldn't have been a PPV in the UK as well? You're ridiculous. You're the only person on the planet claiming Martin was a more lucrative fight. You're an idiot. Everybody knows Joshua-Wilder is the mega match. Which is why it's not being rushed and the chess pieces are being arranged to maximize revenue.

[yammy25]

First of all, Haymon generally does not do business with the WBO. Second of all, the WBC is the most valuable and respected title and since that is the organization Haymon has the most influence with, it would make the most sense for Wilder to go that route. Haymon does have sway with the WBA as well, but back then Wilder would have had to go for the interim, try to get upgraded to regular, then try to go for the super, etc. A giant mess. There's no doubt going for the WBC was the smartest move.




The facts don't support your position. Haymon bid over 5 million. So it wasn't just a crazy Russian over bidding. We can look at WBC heavyweight purse bids vs WBO heavyweight purse bids and there is no comparison. I'm not sure why you're even trying to dispute that the WBC belt is more prestigious than the WBO.

Wilder had to go to Russia if he wanted to keep his WBC title. But that doesn't mean he had to go. We just saw Canelo throw away his WBC title to duck GGG. The fact that Wilder refused to duck and flew to enemy territory should be applauded. Criticizing Wilder is ridiculous and just shows that you're a blatant hater.




Doesn't make any sense. First of all, the IBF mandatory had just been satisfied. Second of all, at that point in time, bringing AJ to the US would have been considered a safer fight than going to Russia to face Povetkin.




Haymon is trying to kill off PPV, so that argument doesn't make any sense. I'm not even convinced Wilder-Joshua would be PPV here. You say Wilder brings no money, yet his purse bid was over double that have Parker. And now Parker is deep in negotiations to fight Wilder. Why would that be if Wilder doesn't bring any money to the table? You're not making any sense.




So Joshua-Wilder wouldn't have been a PPV in the UK as well? You're ridiculous. You're the only person on the planet claiming Martin was a more lucrative fight. You're an idiot. Everybody knows Joshua-Wilder is the mega match. Which is why it's not being rushed and the chess pieces are being arranged to maximize revenue.

So he bought the pathway for the title. Wilder jumped rankings like a hare on meth after fighting one bum.



Never said it was a crazy russian overbidding, in a seperate thread you pointed out the 7 million as being a sign of the WBC prestige, it was for home advantage not prestige. 5 million is less than Joshua stands to earn and less than Klitschko has earned in purses already. Neither have held the WBC.



Not even the wilder supporters on this forum will agree that fighting a mandatory is to be applauded, because you all slagged off Kell brook for getting credit for fighting spence. theres the #doublestandards you wilder fans love to band about.




He would have had to fight the mando at some point lol.. it still would have been joshua. Your second point is also opinion of which you are entitled.. not fact. I'd rather face povetkin as wilder than AJ.




It wouldnt be, as Ive stated already. When did i saw parker was a massive draw? Nothing has been mentioned about Parker / wilder since january on any major outlet and that was because they were deciding betwen him and Fury.. they picked Fury. They have also stated they'd rather go to the UK for Joshua afterwards... why ? More Money, more belts if he beats klitschko.




5.No US TV deal signed for joshua which means greatly reduced US split for Sky and Matchroom. Vastly reduced gate fees if held in the USA for joshua and no purse guarantee?

Megamatch for the fans and thats in the future, not at that time for Joshua, Hearn or Sky in comparison to a UK PPV. at that point in his career there wasnt going to be more people in the UK buying a wilder fight than a Martin fight.

Luis Ortiz just passed WBC Vada though, maybe wilder can do something with him instead of crying about unifications he doesnt deserve.

[stellen]

The facts don't support your position though. Wilder has the best win of any current heavyweight champion. So any criticism you have, you should be applying to the others as well, and more. The fact that you focus on Wilder is a #doublestandard.

If he's a coward, why did he agree to go to Moscow to defend against the #1 in the world?

The facts don't support your position.

Because he was forced to go you moron. Povetkin was his mando and the russians won the purse bid for the fight. He had to go or give up his title so what the hell are you idiots bragging about it for? The best and only decent win on his resume is stiverene. BERMANE STIVERNE LOL. Ali must be spinning in his grave knowing this worthless coward represents america.

[ironlungs]

All a matter of perspective. Personally, I believe humans evolve much quicker than most people realize and the best in the world of pretty much any sport in 2017 would destroy the best in the world from 1997. So I don't think it's a question of the division being devoid of talent. AJ & Wilder clearly have talent and if they keep winning, they'll be heading towards a massive showdown.

I have to disagree with you here. Yes humans do evolve and i believe there are more good athletes when it comes to quantity today. But in no way can you compare any of these heavy weights now to even the 97 class of hw. I just think that alot of humans that have size advantages chose to go other routes than boxing today, therefore drying up the hw division.

[original zero]

I have to disagree with you here. Yes humans do evolve and i believe there are more good athletes when it comes to quantity today. But in no way can you compare any of these heavy weights now to even the 97 class of hw. I just think that alot of humans that have size advantages chose to go other routes than boxing today, therefore drying up the hw division.

20 years is a long time. everything evolves so quickly. size, strength, speed, nutrition, training techniques, recovery techniques, medicine, supplements, etc. it doesn't make any sense that the best from '97 would beat the best from '17.

we think of lennox lewis as great because of the way he dominated those around him in his time. we're comparing him against others from '97 and how much better or worse he was than those in that time.

which can trick us into thinking he was actually better than a deontay wilder or an anthony joshua. because we're comparing them against the best in their time. but the best in their time are way better than the best in lewis's time.

the idea that wilder would absolutely destroy ali and tyson doesn't sit well with people. those are our heroes. they've been put on a pedestal. but simple logic dictates that the best from '17 in something as physical as boxing would wipe the mat with the best from '97 or '77.

[yammy25]

20 years is a long time. everything evolves so quickly. size, strength, speed, nutrition, training techniques, recovery techniques, medicine, supplements, etc. it doesn't make any sense that the best from '97 would beat the best from '17.

we think of lennox lewis as great because of the way he dominated those around him in his time. we're comparing him against others from '97 and how much better or worse he was than those in that time.

which can trick us into thinking he was actually better than a deontay wilder or an anthony joshua. because we're comparing them against the best in their time. but the best in their time are way better than the best in lewis's time.

the idea that wilder would absolutely destroy ali and tyson doesn't sit well with people. those are our heroes. they've been put on a pedestal. but simple logic dictates that the best from '17 in something as physical as boxing would wipe the mat with the best from '97 or '77.

Literally you.





Simple logic dictates 2017 HW beats 1997 HW hahahahahahahahahahaha

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