Floyd schools Dan Rafael ''..TR sat Walters on the shelf for a year..'' (Loma)

[Metho_4u]

fugg outta here ''rocket science...''

First, stop being influenced by that Top Rank propaganda man... that's like still believing in Santa Clause..

First, do you honestly think the undefeated fighter should publicly be presented, yes PUBLICLY - as if he'd Walters didn'T have financial advisory - to JUST accept a 1/3rd from what the other fighter's getting, who lost to Salido!? Let's keep it simple, who's ''0'' went?

If Arum TRULY wanted to make this fight at the time, then they wouldn't have trolled with his defeated fighter to OFFER a part of his own money - the irony that ''fans'' can'T see that as a trolling bıtch move -

The more FORMAL approach would've been 700K for Loma and 600K for Walters? Meaning, that's what Arum's mgmt should've layed out to the industry. With that being said, what do you think about that ratio in the eyes of Walters and his mgmt? You don't find it insulting that Top Rank would offer a significantly bigger purse to Loma?

Come on man, let's be honest, walters would NEVER beat lomachenko no matter what. He didn't take the offer before because he wasn't going to win. Let's just focus on that. Do you see any time that Walters wins that fight?

[Lester Tutor]

Come on man, let's be honest, walters would NEVER beat lomachenko no matter what. He didn't take the offer before because he wasn't going to win. Let's just focus on that. Do you see any time that Walters wins that fight?

That's not the point. Surely you agree with momentum? "Ring rust" opinion in commentary is a real thing. The irony is believing in seeing how Walters lost to Loma is exactly what Top Rank intended. This is not a debate about "who would win..". It's about proper protocol in making fights. You should know how Top Rank does business it's no mystery. This karma will come back to Top Rank affiliated fighters, it always does

[Metho_4u]

That's not the point. Surely you agree with momentum? "Ring rust" opinion in commentary is a real thing. The irony is believing in seeing how Walters lost to Loma is exactly what Top Rank intended. This is not a debate about "who would win..". It's about proper protocol in making fights. You should know how Top Rank does business it's no mystery. This karma will come back to Top Rank affiliated fighters, it always does

I'm really still not getting this man. I'm trying to see where you're coming from. I just think it's as simple as Walters not being confident in winning and thus didn't take the fight. It's not a Manny vs Floyd type deal where there was issues with location, drug testing, drug su****ion, etc, etc.

Walters is quoted as saying

"Lomachenko is one of the better opponents that we're gonna fight," Walters told ******.com on Tuesday. "We asked for a certain amount; they said no. They said only $550,000 was available for the fight and I think fighting Lomachenko for $550,000 with the tax we're gonna pay to the government and everybody, we actually go home with nothing. We took the decision; we're not gonna fight for $550,000."

The article goes on to say

Walters admits that he wanted a $1M purse to take the fight, mostly because he felt that the odds would be stacked against him. Walters says that there was no way he would be able to earn a decision from the judges fair-and-square, putting a tremendous onus on him to knockout Lomachenko as his only chance to win.

"You know what the odds are fighting a fighter like Lomachenko. You're not going to beat him on a decision; you got to knock him out. I fought (Jason) Sosa and I beat him clearly and they called it a draw. What do you think if it was Lomachenko? I would have a loss on my record. You have to know what the odds are when you take a fight, so the odds with taking a fight with Lomachenko, you have to knock him out to win. With me taking that odds, you need to pay me for that."

So dirty salido got what was still a controversial decision, but Walters cannot? That sounds like a total duck too me.

[Lester Tutor]

I'm really still not getting this man. I'm trying to see where you're coming from. I just think it's as simple as Walters not being confident in winning and thus didn't take the fight. It's not a Manny vs Floyd type deal where there was issues with location, drug testing, drug su****ion, etc, etc.

Walters is quoted as saying



The article goes on to say



So dirty salido got what was still a controversial decision, but Walters cannot? That sounds like a total duck too me.

Exactly, do you think Sosa beat Walters?! Again, how do u think Walters felt when he reacted to the original split? His opponent with a loss, and being robbed with Sosa, is getting 1million but Walters gets 300k. Top Rank then responds to add 150k more? So they said...

Low and behold, Walters doesnt agree, has to endure the same politics and bureaucracy that Garcia or Floyd went through... It's pretty obvious how TR operates, you must comply with their matchmaking graphs and expected returns. Aside from any of that, meaning the Loma bout, why didn't Top Rank get Walters fights? Common sense. They starved him out, couldn't pay nor would have the proper advisory to get out of Top Prank.

Yeah just blame it all on Walters. It's all about Loma and Arum right? Thats the point Floyd was making. We at NSB were talking about that before that video of Floyd even surfaced.

Gotta have empathy for Walters bro. They did him wrong.

[TheUptownKid]

Top rank served up Walters like Indongo is gonna get served up. Companies have their cash cows and their top shelf cannon fodder that they groom for battle.

[Metho_4u]

Exactly, do you think Sosa beat Walters?! Again, how do u think Walters felt when he reacted to the original split? His opponent with a loss, and being robbed with Sosa, is getting 1million but Walters gets 300k. Top Rank then responds to add 150k more? So they said...

Low and behold, Walters doesnt agree, has to endure the same politics and bureaucracy that Garcia or Floyd went through... It's pretty obvious how TR operates, you must comply with their matchmaking graphs and expected returns. Aside from any of that, meaning the Loma bout, why didn't Top Rank get Walters fights? Common sense. They starved him out, couldn't pay nor would have the proper advisory to get out of Top Prank.

Yeah just blame it all on Walters. It's all about Loma and Arum right? Thats the point Floyd was making. We at NSB were talking about that before that video of Floyd even surfaced.

Gotta have empathy for Walters bro. They did him wrong.

Ok, well I see more of what you are saying now. I realize (and have never felt arum was fair to his fighters) that Walters isn't the one being groomed to be the next possible star, but I'm not going to attribute that to race or any of that crap (I'm not implying that you are) like many others do, as I like fighters of all races. I enjoy watching lomachenko, and he's got massive skill. On the other hand, you've also got to ask yourself if lomachenko is just simply being used and marketed and manipulated because he's not from this country and arum is of course very savvy with his business. Manny was also highly taken advantage of as well as much of his money taken by arum. The reason of course that both Oscar and Floyd left him and only got bigger and made more. I've never been a fan of TR. With that all being said, I see no such scenario in which Walters wins this match up though. Not fully active, partly active, not at all.

[Bjl12]

He was shut down by the reporters immediately.

Umm and he shut those reporters down immediately because..he's right.

Lawyers - Bop Arum is a lawyer - are savage ****** lying ****s. I do not respect lawyers nor politicians save for Bernie Sanders type guys or environmental lawyers.

The rest are in it for themselves. I honestly believe Floyd over Bop or any of Bop's affiliates (some other lawyer lmfao)

[j0zef]

iirc Walters was the one who constantly wanted more money. If I'm not mistaken he said he wont fight for less than a mill. Then he fought Sosa for peanuts, got a draw, saw his rep take a hit, tried to keep asking for money and ended up taking significantly less than the first offer by TR.

TR did not 'sit' Walters. He sat himself. And.. really? 11 months is what we're complaining about?

[Derranged]

While impossible to tell how much of an effect the layoff had, you can't ignore it. However, the usual suspects are trying to say this was all some sort of conspiracy to make Loma look good, when Walters was the one who declined the fight at first. Its pointless arguing about it because no matter what, these jackasses will spin it any way they can to make Loma look bad and its pretty obvious why.

[Kigali]

I'm really still not getting this man. I'm trying to see where you're coming from. I just think it's as simple as Walters not being confident in winning and thus didn't take the fight. It's not a Manny vs Floyd type deal where there was issues with location, drug testing, drug su****ion, etc, etc.

Walters is quoted as saying



The article goes on to say



So dirty salido got what was still a controversial decision, but Walters cannot? That sounds like a total duck too me.

Put Tom Brady on the sidelines for a year then put him a crucial game and watch him **** up.

Put Loma on the sidelines for a year and keep Walters(or anybody) active and watch Loma get his ass kicked.