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This thread isn't about ward kovalev but let it go ward landed more punches in six rounds and a seventh round is even so anyone who is unbiased can see how he could have got 7 rounds
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A couple of things to keep in mind, ring generalship and effective aggression are different, it doesn't necessarily matter who lands more punches, the harder landed punches causing more damage score better than pitter patter, amateurs score landed shots, pros dontComment
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Where is this stated? because I don't believe you should be rewarded for being a puncher particularly when that comes naturally but skill is learnt. Someone like pauline Mallinaggi receives just as much credit for his light punches as someone like Golovkin unless you knock an opponent down or out when I'm scoring. giving extra points to someone because they can punch harder is like giving extra points because someone is faster or has longer hair.Comment
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I would definitely score more to the guy landing the harder punches and doing more damage rd by rd. Otherwise it's just amateur boxing. If you are a light puncher you better land more.Comment
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a) Effective Aggression
The key to the first category is the word "effective." One may be going forward, trying to get at ones opponent, forcing them back, but not throwing punches, or missing badly. In order to be "effective" one must have success landing consistently while moving forward. It should be noted that the opponent, who is "out-boxing" or keeping the fight at a distance, can be the "effective aggressor" by initiating the punching exchanges.
b) Defense
A badly over-looked aspect of boxing, especially in scoring a fight. Defense is a part of combat. In boxing it is the ability to hit the opponent without being hit in return. Defense may include ducking, dodging, bobbing and weaving, parrying, blocking, slipping, and sidestepping, as well as effectively utilizing the clinch.
c) Ring Generalship
The person who dictates the tempo of the fight and controls the action in the ring is the ring general. The boxer who makes the other man fight his fight. If fighter A keeps the fight in ring center, and nullifies the "aggression" of fighter B he is the better ring general." Or if fighter B effectively cuts off the ring and forces fighter A to the ropes where he can go to work he then is the better ring general.
d) Clean and Hard Punching
This should be obvious, but it's not. Since many fans and sportswriters ignore the two previous categories they often fail to understand what is actually taking place in the ring. A "clean" blow is one that lands flush without being blocked by his opponent. But how many times has one heard an announcer "Oh what a left hook by so and so!" The problem is the punch landed on his opponent's glove and only made a loud noise and didn't score at all. Some blows are "partially blocked"; meaning it did not land with its full force. Such blows are not "clean" punches. Also it is not the amount of punches that are thrown the matters, but the amount of blows that land. Hard punching is important as the amount of damage a blow causes counts in the scoring. In the amateurs a knockdown is only as good as a jab, but in the pro's its worth much more. One hard right that staggers the opponent though is not worth ten hard jabs that snap back the opponent's head. Damaging blows and their value are difficult to assess and that is why boxing is subjective. However it should be noted that landing 3 or 4 punches that hurt an opponent in the last seconds of a round are not enough to make up for losing the first two and a half minutes of the round where he was out-boxed. After all the name of the game is boxing not sluggingLast edited by Shape up; 01-17-2017, 06:21 AM.Comment
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Weisfeld, who is licensed as a boxing judge in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, lent his expertise to Premier Boxing Champions on what judges look for when scoring a fight.
"A lot of times fans hear that judges focus on four categories: clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defense and ring generalship," Weisfeld said. "But based upon my own experience, my conversations with other judges and seminars conducted by top judges, judges really focus on one category, and that's clean punches."
Here, Weisfeld explains how judges weigh each of the four categories in scoring a fight, as well as offer a tutorial on the 10-point must system used to judge each round and, ultimately, determine the winner of a fight.
Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.
So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.
Now, there's no mathematical formula that equates the number of punches with the hardness of the punch. The judge has to weigh the two based on his experience. But more important than the number of punches or the hardness of the punch is the effect of the punch. For example, a seemingly lighter punch that causes a boxer to stagger is scored higher than a seemingly harder punch that has no effect.
Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.
If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.
Effective aggression: In the extremely rare case of a judge scoring a round otherwise even, the judge might side with the boxer who was the aggressor on the theory that he is trying to make the fight. However, the key is whether or not the aggression is "effective.” Is the boxer landing or just coming forward?
Ring generalship: This term describes a boxer who is generally controlling the action and putting himself into position to land clean punches, or employing a strategy to make his opponent fight his fight. Sometimes, however, the other boxer is forced to fight his opponent's fight and comes out on top.Comment
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All you b1tches who post endlessly about 'scoring fights' SMH.
You need to go old school - fight until one man is left standing or quits.
No draws, no robberies, more $$$ in betting.
Maybe more fatalities too but WTF, everybody knows the risks.
Pay fighters more, and pay the hangers on and leeches less.
Stealing rounds is like stealing purses - sneaky and cowardly.Comment
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not going to read all of that uninformed nonsense. didn't see the word "effective" anywhere. that s what you score. you score the effectiveess of the punches. everything else is a means to an end. your defense means you take less effective shots, or less shots meaning they have less net effect. you are only beig effective in your defendign if you can land the more effective blows. same with aggression. it's not effective if you're not landing the more meaningful punches
after each round ask "who did more damage?" and you know who won the round.Comment
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