Has the PBC experiment failed?

[Madison Boxing]

lol you know things are desperate when wilder v arreola is presented as some sort of positive smh

you keep believing what you believe though

yeah lol. dont know if i was meant to be impressed by that list or what.

[soul_survivor]

yeah lol. dont know if i was meant to be impressed by that list or what.

selby v hunter and aj v molina, both fights that got mullered by fans in the uk are supposedly highlights for that guy lol

[j0zef]

PBC is going hard this spring. I think they have 2 years to show whether they can be successful or not. If they can get a big time TV contract from a major network, they're in business.

If PBC has no major sponsors by end of 2018 they're finished.

[original zero]

i noticed nobody posted a list of HBO's non-PPV fights from 2016. they just nitpick one or two fights from the massive list of free fights haymon delivered us. yet nobody delivered us more non-PPV boxing than he did.

are we just supposed to ignore that HBO is offering next to nothing while haymon is offering dozens of non-PPV world championship fights every year?

[KeyboardWarrior]

i noticed nobody posted a list of HBO's non-PPV fights from 2016. they just nitpick one or two fights from the massive list of free fights haymon delivered us. yet nobody delivered us more non-PPV boxing than he did.

are we just supposed to ignore that HBO is offering next to nothing while haymon is offering dozens of non-PPV world championship fights every year?

The divide and conquer tactic is an old one. I'll gladly watch any and all Boxing I can regardless of who is putting it on. You are trying to appeal to Boxing fans to pick and choose. I hope you are being compensated for your time.

[PACnPBFsuck]

i noticed nobody posted a list of HBO's non-PPV fights from 2016. they just nitpick one or two fights from the massive list of free fights haymon delivered us. yet nobody delivered us more non-PPV boxing than he did.

are we just supposed to ignore that HBO is offering next to nothing while haymon is offering dozens of non-PPV world championship fights every year?

Don't forget how by the first week of 2017, they have 3 PPV's lined up and only 1 fill in fight, to hurt PBC's numbers, HBO seriously doesn't give 2 ***ks about boxing fans anymore.

[-Antonio-]

It didn't fail in the sense that a lot of guys got paid for achieving nothing. It failed miserably on garnering mainstream attention, hyping up big fights, making their investors money, and putting the sport in a better place. I would say aside for the fighters PBC has been an absolute disaster.

[Tom Cruise]

If the fight is on CBS like it should be it will be seen more than 3-4 million than it would have on HBO lol.

True but its a different type of viewer you get on network tv. More channel surfer 'watch while also browsing facebook' types. People watching on HBO tend to be fans of the sport and it shows that a fight getting a few million views on networks often doesnt have the big fight feel that a 1mill views fight on subscription channel does.

Spence is the most watched fighter in the US for last however many years in his fight with Bundu, and yet I bet barely a single US casual could pick him out of a line up. Its an extreme example because of the TV slot, but it is indicative of the problem of using network TV to build a fanbase

HBO has consistently reduced the amount of money they're willing to put behind boxing, replacing the audience willing to pay the premium to catch fights with an audience willing to pay the premium to watch episodic dramas (GoT being the biggest one at the moment).

If Haymon had stuck with HBO, he'd be in the same spot that Bob Arum is being tortured in.

Haymon jumped ship to Showtime, Showtime drastically expanded the money that they were willing to invest in boxing (with CBS boss, Leslie Moonves, being openly interested in pushing the sport), Showtime is now seemingly committing the same/more money to boxing than HBO, and Haymon is now the main provider of content to HBO (with promoters with working relationships with Haymon, also getting opportunities with fighters not directly tied to Haymon).

Beyond that, Haymon made the exact move needed in cutting Oscar completely out when he made the move against Schaefer; in case you didn't know, Oscar with "people listening to him" saw all of the financial backers, AEG and the rights to lead rights to their venues, and any interest from FS1 immediately disappear once Schaefer was out.

Oscar is on the hook for 95% of the risks in his company, with the only fighter under his banner that has interest from TV being Joseph Diaz Jr (Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, if the Schaefer understanding sunk in, likely has a co-promotional deal between Canelo Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions near an 85/15 Alvarez share, with Golden Boy getting near no piece of Alvarez's money in Mexico).

Sky Sports has continued to expand the amount of money that they're committed to spend on delivering top-level fights for their audience (with the heavy emphasis on featuring fights with meaning to the British audience above anything); to try and parallel them with HBO is a mistake

Well Haymon had the budget to put boxing a million different channels but he didnt have the budget to stay on HBO? Nah. HBO, as a brand, represents the top level of the sport, and i think it was a mistake for Haymon to try and challenge that before becoming more established in the sport.

Oscar was vital imo for the success of Haymons boxing promotions pre PBC. A talking head who had the ear of the largest US boxing market, Mex-Ams. Good looking, charming, charismatic. He was a perfect spokesman for prospects coming up and for talking up big events. PBC misses that badly. They dont have a Dana White providing sound bites for the press to get stuck into, to hype their fighters or talk up their events. They just have Floyd talking about himself all the time.

Eddie Hearn is that guy in the UK, and he just absolutely lit up the Jack/Degale press conference with his easy charm and way with words. PBC/Sho need someone to take that role.

[-DSG-]

True but its a different type of viewer you get on network tv. More channel surfer 'watch while also browsing facebook' types. People watching on HBO tend to be fans of the sport and it shows that a fight getting a few million views on networks often doesnt have the big fight feel that a 1mill views fight on subscription channel does.

Spence is the most watched fighter in the US for last however many years in his fight with Bundu, and yet I bet barely a single US casual could pick him out of a line up. Its an extreme example because of the TV slot, but it is indicative of the problem of using network TV to build a fanbase



Well Haymon had the budget to put boxing a million different channels but he didnt have the budget to stay on HBO? Nah. HBO, as a brand, represents the top level of the sport, and i think it was a mistake for Haymon to try and challenge that before becoming more established in the sport.

Oscar was vital imo for the success of Haymons boxing promotions pre PBC. A talking head who had the ear of the largest US boxing market, Mex-Ams. Good looking, charming, charismatic. He was a perfect spokesman for prospects coming up and for talking up big events. PBC misses that badly. They dont have a Dana White providing sound bites for the press to get stuck into, to hype their fighters or talk up their events. They just have Floyd talking about himself all the time.

Eddie Hearn is that guy in the UK, and he just absolutely lit up the Jack/Degale press conference with his easy charm and way with words. PBC/Sho need someone to take that role.

That's how you create new fans by getting people who wouldn't other wise watch boxing to watch it.

[Tom Cruise]

That's how you create new fans by getting people who wouldn't other wise watch boxing to watch it.

But its better to do that from a solid base surely?

Build the foundation first before expanding the brand to new fans