Has the PBC experiment failed?

[original zero]

It's been 2 years and they literally have done nothing to capture and grow an audience let alone land a tv deal... guys like wilder, Thurman and Danny are in the exact same position they were in 2 years ago when pbc started...

the facts don't support your premise. wilder, thurman & garcia have all had PBC fights with millions and millions of viewers. please let us know which fights of theirs had several million viewers before PBC?

and seeing as how NO fights were doing millions of viewers before PBC, how can you claim they haven't grown an audience? all of the fights with the most viewers this decade have been PBC fights.

as for landing a TV deal, they already landed one with spike, they've convinced showtime to increase their budget, and CBS now dabbles in buying major fights. all of this before PBC can even offer their main TV package to anybody. when the time buys run up, PBC will land a TV deal. meanwhile, HBO boxing is half way dead already.

I have said from day one, they needed to be on one channel, same day, same time, every week and make the most competitive matchups available with the roster..

how do you create a bidding war for your product without offering it to multiple networks? PBC is in their proof of concept stage. if they just chose one network, it would be much tougher to find a buyer when the time buys ran up.

PBC has done several million viewers for a fight on NBC, CBS and FOX. if they just chose one network, they'd have a much smaller chance of multiple bidders when the TV package was finally offered.

[al-Xander]

how many HBO cards reached 1MM? let alone 4-6MM?

Average for HBO is around 600-800K. PBC about 400-600K.
HBO is not free tv doe.

[Madison Boxing]

PBC is a disaster despite what the black supremacists/al haymon fanboys want you to believe. the sport has seen decreasing popularity and fewer good fights and, in all fairness ,across the spectrum, not just with pbc. Whilst all this is happening they engage in a misguided solace of al haymons quest for a monopoly as if somehow haymons strategy has benefited boxing or will do in the future.

Al haymon is responsible for inflated fighter purses. Remember when he used personal alliances that came from his ties in the entertainment world to get HBO to pay 1.2million for berto vs hernandez. pbc fighter purses were hugely inflated last year. And he is paying networks for tv slots. If the ad revenue/viewing figures and live gates arent high enough then its an unsustainable business model. pbc will shrink this year.

yep, the truth ^

[iamboxing]

PBC is for poor folk

[Madison Boxing]

It didn't fail in the sense that a lot of guys got paid for achieving nothing. It failed miserably on garnering mainstream attention, hyping up big fights, making their investors money, and putting the sport in a better place. I would say aside for the fighters PBC has been an absolute disaster.

agreed.....

[original zero]

Average for HBO is around 600-800K. PBC about 400-600K.
HBO is not free tv doe.

but the point the other posters made was that PBC didn't reach new viewers, which clearly they did as they've had several broadcasts peak over 4 million viewers.

averaging the network shows with the fs1 or bounce shows doesn't change that fact. it just creates misleading numbers. i don't see you averaging in the hbo latino shows? or HBO PPV shows? so you're not being consistent.

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE who weren't watching boxing before are now checking out boxing several times a year thanks to PBC. why is that a bad thing?

[Madison Boxing]

but the point the other posters made was that PBC didn't reach new viewers, which clearly they did as they've had several broadcasts peak over 4 million viewers.

averaging the network shows with the fs1 or bounce shows doesn't change that fact. it just creates misleading numbers. i don't see you averaging in the hbo latino shows? or HBO PPV shows? so you're not being consistent.

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE who weren't watching boxing before are now checking out boxing several times a year thanks to PBC. why is that a bad thing?

cause they checked out spence v bundu, wondered why a 40 year old was getting crap beat out of him in the form of entertainment, and decided boxing is a joke. Thats the problem with PBC, people are willing to tune in but its actually turning people away from the sport.

[original zero]

cause they checked out spence v bundu, wondered why a 40 year old was getting crap beat out of him in the form of entertainment, and decided boxing is a joke. Thats the problem with PBC, people are willing to tune in but its actually turning people away from the sport.

no, the problem is that you are mentally ill and view everything through a delusional, negative prism.

if PBC is turning people away from the sport, they wouldn't be continuing to do millions of viewers for their major network shows. PBC is proving over and over again that world champions defending on network TV will attract millions of viewers.

and deontay will do millions of viewers on FOX next month.

so when the time comes for PBC to negotiate a paid TV deal, they'll have proven to the major networks that boxing can do similar numbers to UFC.

[Madison Boxing]

no, the problem is that you are mentally ill and view everything through a delusional, negative prism.

if PBC is turning people away from the sport, they wouldn't be continuing to do millions of viewers for their major network shows. PBC is proving over and over again that world champions defending on network TV will attract millions of viewers.

and deontay will do millions of viewers on FOX next month.

so when the time comes for PBC to negotiate a paid TV deal, they'll have proven to the major networks that boxing can do similar numbers to UFC.

they arent doing good numbers considering its free and america has 300 million or so living there. i'd argue that the numbers have been terrible. WHichever way you shape it, since haymon has become the prominent name in boxing, US interest in boxing has plummeted and the UFC has overtaken it. Interest in boxing has never been lower.

[original zero]

they arent doing good numbers considering its free and america has 300 million or so living there. i'd argue that the numbers have been terrible. WHichever way you shape it, since haymon has become the prominent name in boxing, US interest in boxing has plummeted and the UFC has overtaken it. Interest in boxing has never been lower.

you'd argue that the numbers are terrible, but you have no idea what you're talking about and the facts don't support your premise, so why does it matter what you would argue?

danny garcia did 3 million viewers on fox last year. a week later, UFC did 2.4 million on fox. so if PBC's numbers are terrible, what does that say about UFC?

but the truth is that the numbers aren't terrible, you're just a loser who runs his mouth on the internet about topics he knows absolutely nothing about.

it's not that interest in boxing has never been lower. it's that interest in facts has never been lower. boxing's popularity isn't the problem here. the problem is logic's popularity and among the posters here, it's very unpopular.

you guys live in an echo chamber of cognitive dissonance. it's ridiculous. just spouting false info back and forth to each other because you're so butthurt that HBO's monopoly of boxing is falling apart. get over it. who cares what network shows the fights?