If PBC had belts would you respect / acknowlege them over the Alpphabet titles?

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  • original zero
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    #171
    Originally posted by jas
    Pbc wont exist after this year

    Its been a massive failure and its unsustainable

    Well done al haymon

    /thread

    care to wager on that? 50k says PBC still exists next year . . .

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      #172
      Originally posted by jas
      Pbc wont exist after this year

      Its been a massive failure and its unsustainable

      Well done al haymon

      /thread
      They have too much capital and clout now to just go away in a year, even if they fail at monopolizing USA Boxing it would take like six years to really disappear.

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        #173
        Originally posted by LoadedWraps
        They have too much capital and clout now to just go away in a year, even if they fail at monopolizing USA Boxing it would take like six years to really disappear.

        I don't think they are going anywhere

        reports of their demise have been hugely exaggerated

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          #174
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime
          I don't think they are going anywhere

          reports of their demise have been hugely exaggerated
          Yea I think people just want them to go away, which is different. I am often resistant to change as well, but I also want boxing to succeed and return to prominence like in the golden era, and I think PBC is a much needed breathe of fresh air to the sport.

          I know once PBC picks up Parker you will be on board.

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            #175
            Originally posted by LoadedWraps
            Yea I think people just want them to go away, which is different. I am often resistant to change as well, but I also want boxing to succeed and return to prominence like in the golden era, and I think PBC is a much needed breathe of fresh air to the sport.

            I know once PBC picks up Parker you will be on board.

            hahah yea anyone would be better than duco

            always been on board with PBC, never said a word against them

            Haymon is smart

            but PBC has only been around for 5 minutes, and I always wait before swinging from the rooftops with joy

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              #176
              Originally posted by aboutfkntime
              hahah yea anyone would be better than duco

              always been on board with PBC, never said a word against them

              Haymon is smart

              but PBC has only been around for 5 minutes, and I always wait before swinging from the rooftops with joy
              That's fine and fair but don't expect it to be some night/day difference from one day to the next, we can observe and acknowledge key changes in the process/progress as things develop.

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                #177
                Originally posted by LoadedWraps
                That's fine and fair but don't expect it to be some night/day difference from one day to the next, we can observe and acknowledge key changes in the process/progress as things develop.

                that is the WHOLE problem, and my WHOLE point

                PBC will compete with the ABC bodies, on THEIR level..... and nothing much will change

                like you said, we will have to wait and see what happens over the next few years

                I think they will continue to be successful at what they do now

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                  #178
                  Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                  that is the WHOLE problem, and my WHOLE point

                  PBC will compete with the ABC bodies, on THEIR level..... and nothing much will change

                  like you said, we will have to wait and see what happens over the next few years

                  I think they will continue to be successful at what they do now

                  But they won't be competing with the ABC bodies, PBC already holds most of the titles and will continue to accrue them.

                  Your last rebuttal to that point was "they will just make more titles" but we both know it isn't that simple for them, you can't just pump out more titles at a crazy rate or you will lose credibility fast among the other ABC bodies alone, it's like pumping millions of dollars into an economy and not expecting the currency to drop or react in any way, it's absurd to think there aren't consequences to that sort of reaction, and the ABC bodies are smarter than that. They will get desperate but that doesn't mean they will do something ****** and make the situation worse.

                  Don King at one point was considered unstoppable in the industry and look at his relevance now? If you don't think that can't also happen to the ABC bodies you're crazy.

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                    #179
                    the alphabelts only gained power because TV wanted them. they keep their power because TV wants them. if US TV ever rejects them, they're toast.

                    haymon can't afford to reject them until he's got his longterm TV deal and HBO pulls out of the business.

                    wasn't that long ago that the WBU was considered a "world" title in the UK because the TV networks allowed it. when sky said no more WBU, the WBU was a cooked goose. when sky said no more IBO and when gary shaw lost his grip of showtime, the IBO lost all of their momentum and still hasn't recovered.

                    you're only a world champion because the television tells the audience that you are . . .

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                      #180
                      Originally posted by LoadedWraps

                      But they won't be competing with the ABC bodies, PBC already holds most of the titles and will continue to accrue them.

                      Your last rebuttal to that point was "they will just make more titles" but we both know it isn't that simple for them, you can't just pump out more titles at a crazy rate or you will lose credibility fast among the other ABC bodies alone, it's like pumping millions of dollars into an economy and not expecting the currency to drop or react in any way, it's absurd to think there aren't consequences to that sort of reaction, and the ABC bodies are smarter than that. They will get desperate but that doesn't mean they will do something ****** and make the situation worse.

                      Don King at one point was considered unstoppable in the industry and look at his relevance now? If you don't think that can't also happen to the ABC bodies you're crazy.


                      no, you misunderstand.... why would the ABC organisations need to make new "titles", they have titles already?..... the very second PBC establish their own "belts", they would automatically be vacating the ABC belts..... the ABC bodies will react, they will simply adjust their rankings and appoint new champions..... why would they choose to recognize the new PBC belt?

                      ..... and that is because PBC would be competing with them, on THEIR level..... by doing the exact same thing, bringing the total to 5

                      we went over all that already

                      in order to justify their existence, the ABC bodies need only to ask the question, NOT supply the answer..... otherwise it would be impossible to have 4 of them already, it would be impossible to have 2

                      e.g.
                      Golovkin fans justified Wade by saying..... " mando doe "

                      they will just appoint new champions, just like they do now when a champ retires

                      PBC would need a hostile takeover for that to work.... they would need to restructure boxing officially, not become the 5th opinion proclaiming to be the best, no matter how many of the "old" titles they managed to grab

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