Comments Thread For: P. Fury: Tyson Will Return in April/May, We Want Deontay Wilder

[kafkod]

[COLOR="Navy"That's not true though, you are making assumptions based on appearance.

Both of them could be just like me - have a healthy mix of both. Like i've explained to people before, I have a cousin with the same complexion as canelo and I have an uncle that is as dark as Terence Crawford. We are the same family by blood. Don't you see?

In the US, true latinos recognize true latinos, this doesn't matter how dark you are etc. People who don't are usually pretty "white washed" as they say here, which means overly cultured by caucasian culture here.

I lived in Spain for the majority of the time, and as someone who identified as someone from south american origins, I experienced clear racism quite often. Sometimes this puzzles people but that's because they don't understand that Spanish people are european and thus are predominantly white and often indifferentiable from British, German, etc, wheras we as latinos are often viewed as quite inferior and spoken about and treated as such there. I lived in the ******s and my only friends and "crew" were all latinos and we often got into it with local spanish boys and we were treated as "outsiders" all the time. We were from all different places also, ecuador, peru, colombia, chile etc. I eventually made Spanish friends elsewhere in the country so not everyone is like that just like not everyone is an ignorant racist in the USA either.
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Re the bolded. That is exactly the same situation as the one I described within my own family, so of course, I understand that. But accepting members of your own family as kith and kin, even though they have a differrent complexion than yours, is not the same as extending that feeling of kinship beyond your family, even to people who live in different countries. See what I mean?

There are parallels .. ***s, Gypsies, ******s, Catholics, and racial affinities, of course. But I already understood where those affinities came from, and why they exist.

So thanks for your replies. I'm a curious soul, and I've never had a chance to ask a Latino what it means to be Latin.

[LoadedWraps]

Re the bolded. That is exactly the same situation as the one I described within my own family, so of course, I understand that. But accepting members of your own family as kith and kin, even though they have a differrent complexion than yours, is not the same as extending that feeling of kinship beyond your family, even to people who live in different countries. See what I mean?

I do but I disagree with that. I absolutely extend that beyond my own kinship.

Like the irish guy refers to "his island" in Braveheart, I refer to all latinos as my people.

[just the facts]

Tate is such a poor comparison. Tate was a dim bulb. A decent guy who got by on piss and vinegar. Fury is a technical fighter who uses a lot of skill sets and very natural movement. He got dropped by a puncher, it happens, it does not indicate a bad chin. Wilder is getting better by the day. He now can punch very well and put some punches together.

Fury can put punches together, fight in all ranges, and has excellent defense. Vegas would be more than willing to take bets for Wilder, but any trainer knows that Wilder will have to evolve quite a bit to challenge Fury and have more than a puncher's chance. Fury would beat Fury with his jab alone in all probability.

The comparison to Tate didn't have to do with fighting styles. What I was referring to was how Tate was knocked out cold in a fight after he was a million miles ahead on the scorecards. I firmly believe Fury will suffer the same fate.
Dropped by a puncher? Cunninghams power is average at best and he's cruiser weight for **** sake.

[billeau2]

The comparison to Tate didn't have to do with fighting styles. What I was referring to was how Tate was knocked out cold in a fight after he was a million miles ahead on the scorecards. I firmly believe Fury will suffer the same fate.
Dropped by a puncher? Cunninghams power is average at best and he's cruiser weight for **** sake.

Tate was an accident waiting to happen...the sport is choc full a guys who got dropped on the seat of their pants regardless of chin strength.

Your comparison is just off. When was Fury knocked out cold? flash knockdown is not koed. David Price might be an example...Im not trying to pick on you bro...Tate is an interesting story for sure but Fury often gets much grief for that instance and it can be a bit ridiculous. Cunningham according to men who have fought him can ****...you can call me out for calling him a puncher, fair enough, but guys who fought him and train him characterize him that way.

[kafkod]

I do but I disagree with that. I absolutely extend that beyond my own kinship.

Like the irish guy refers to "his island" in Braveheart, I refer to all latinos as my people.

Funny you referring to the Irish and Scots, because when I was reading your first reply about what "latino" means to you, I was thinking about the feeling of kinship which exists between the peoples of the European "celtic fringe", which includes the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and Manx (people from the Isle of Mann) in the UK.

And here's another interesting tie in. Studies of the DNA of modern Europeans found that the British "Celts" come from the same stock as the Spanish:

"A team from Oxford University has discovered that the Celts, Britain's indigenous people, are descended from a tribe of Iberian fishermen who crossed the Bay of Biscay 6,000 years ago. DNA analysis reveals they have an almost identical genetic "fingerprint" to the inhabitants of coastal regions of Spain, whose own ancestors migrated north between 4,000 and 5,000BC."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/celts-descended-from-spanish-fishermen-study-finds-416727.html

"Irish and Scottish people share very similar DNA. The obvious similarities of culture, pale skin, tendency to red hair have historically been prescribed to the two people's sharing a common Celtic ancestry."

"These genes were then brought to the British Isles by the original settlers, men and women who would have been relatively tall, with little body fat, athletic, fair-skinned and who would have had red hair. So red-heads may well be descended from the earliest ancestors of the Irish and British."

https://owlcation.com/stem/Irish-Blood-Genetic-Identity

So, as an Irish/Scottish Brit, I guess that means I'm a latino, and Canelo is my blood brother. Now tell me again ... why did that pussy ass bitch Li'l g turn down $15 million to fight him?

[LoadedWraps]

Funny you referring to the Irish and Scots, because when I was reading your first reply about what "latino" means to you, I was thinking about the feeling of kinship which exists between the peoples of the European "celtic fringe", which includes the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and Manx (people from the Isle of Mann) in the UK.

Yea, no. I recognize, what we call in Spanish "la madre patria", but when I say latino, it's short for latinoamericano, and more accurately, hispanic as latino covers portugese speaking nations as well but we will use the terms interchangably even if incorrect.

If I dig deep enough I do have extensive German blood for example, but I always relate to my latino origins above all else.

[kafkod]

Yea, no. I recognize, what we call in Spanish "la madre patria", but when I say latino, it's short for latinoamericano, and more accurately, hispanic as latino covers portugese speaking nations as well but we will use the terms interchangably even if incorrect.

If I dig deep enough I do have extensive German blood for example, but I always relate to my latino origins above all else.

That's one of the things I was wondering about, because in the UK we use the words Latin, Latino, and Latina to refer to people from any of the Southern European countries, including Italians and people from the South of France.

"Hispanic" is not often used, and means the same as "Spanish" to most Brits, including me.

[just the facts]

Tate was an accident waiting to happen...the sport is choc full a guys who got dropped on the seat of their pants regardless of chin strength.

Your comparison is just off. When was Fury knocked out cold? flash knockdown is not koed. David Price might be an example...Im not trying to pick on you bro...Tate is an interesting story for sure but Fury often gets much grief for that instance and it can be a bit ridiculous. Cunningham according to men who have fought him can ****...you can call me out for calling him a puncher, fair enough, but guys who fought him and train him characterize him that way.

Before fighting Mike Weaver, Tate had never been knocked cold either. Vs Cunningham, Fury was put HARD on his azz, that was no flash knockdown.

I have never heard/seen/read where any boxer/boxing fan/boxing publication referred to Steve Cunningham as a puncher. Please feel free to supply me with the names of those that have done so.

[kafkod]

Before fighting Mike Weaver, Tate had never been knocked cold either. Vs Cunningham, Fury was put HARD on his azz, that was no flash knockdown.

I have never heard/seen/read where any boxer/boxing fan/boxing publication referred to Steve Cunningham as a puncher. Please feel free to supply me with the names of those that have done so.

Cunningham may not be noted as a puncher, but that was a heck of a shot he caught Fury with. Fury went down hard, because he was square on and pulling away when the punch landed. But he got up quickly, with his head clear and his legs steady.

Fury has been competing in boxing's heaviest division since he was 17 yo and he's never been stopped. I don't think there is anything wrong with his chin at all.

[billeau2]

Before fighting Mike Weaver, Tate had never been knocked cold either. Vs Cunningham, Fury was put HARD on his azz, that was no flash knockdown.

I have never heard/seen/read where any boxer/boxing fan/boxing publication referred to Steve Cunningham as a puncher. Please feel free to supply me with the names of those that have done so.

As said its anecdotal. Generally speaking a cruiser going up has to have a punch. And even if it was a lucky shot, if your argument is that it was a light punch, why don't we see a pattern where Fury gets dropped occasionally?

What you are saying in effect is that a professional heavyweight, who has fought many punchers, and who has beat the best guy out there has a major weakness not exposed yet. Tate is not an example because Tate never got nearly as far as Fury. A better example would be David Price because that is what happens to guys who are that fragile. Even Vlad was hit on the button by Sanders, a guy who could hit hard.