If you were confident you could beat someone...would you fight them for $10 million?

[Robbie Barrett]

Haters gonna hate and you are hating on GGG big time as you always do, hypocritical hater. Canelo already handed GGG his belt rather than fight him for that belt. The pressure is on Canelo to make the fight and fight GGG and not the other way around. Canelo could easily pay GGG 20million and Canelo would still make much more than 20 million so why doesn't he make GGG a better offer. Is he a coward, pretending to want this fight when he clearly doesn't. Nice double standard you got there, GGG hating hypocrite. Team Canelo wants damn near all the money instead of a fair 65/35 split in Canelo's favor knowing this will keep the fight from happening. You are calling GGG a coward for turning down an unfair garbage offer of 10 million. You are calling the wrong guy a coward,

Canelo is at least 3x more of a draw why does Golovkin deserve anywhere close to what Canelo makes?

Canelo has done his time of taking the short money (12 mil for the 2nd biggest fight in history, 5 mil guarantee while Cotto got 15 mil). Golovkin doesn't deserve a hand out he's done nothing to deserve it.

[Lester Tutor]

Floyd Mayweather is retired, Floyd Mayweather could sell stinking piles of diarrhea vomit shiets and people would still pay for it case and example Andre Berto, Floyd's selling power was a big contributor to that 2.2 mil

Miguel Cotto is semi-retired and no longer wants to fight at 160 whereas Canelo intentions are to move to 160 besides Puerto Rico Vs Mexico will always sell you do know that is a rivalry, right?

Who else does Canelo Alvarez have to target for 160 that brings the same hype that GGG does the beef is there, GGG holds all the main titles apart from the WBO...
Canelo could do massive numbers If he had the balls to come to the UK to fight Eubank Jr but I doubt he has the nuts for it that would be his only other option but I somehow think Canelo would want to avoid someone like Eubank Jr because it's obvious that Canelo is tailor made for him.

Canelo has very little options but GGG is an open book he doesn't need to accept a low ball offer a year in advance September is a long way yet why should anyone in their right mind accept a fight a year in advance you'd have to be pretty ****ing ****** to do that really ******!

If the fight doesn't get made, and future continues to theorize why 10 million plus upside PPV was not a good offer or not, then people will understand the nature of vacating the WBC. Loeffler and Abel were very well comfortable it going to purse bid, but we all know, GBP would absolutely not allow a GGG vs Alvarez Purse Bid. That would contradict GBP's power in general, so the only choice was to vacate. Again, all because of negotiations. If Alvarez vs Golovkin can make 1.5million PPV at $69,99 at the very least (105 million), and K2 gets 10% of the upside, that's 10.5 million extra, total of 20.5 million. You're saying for Sept. 2017, a guy who did 97k in PPV empirical merit, that reserving that date for 20.5 million is not worth it? The success of that PPV alone brings another bout between them. This isn't complicated. As Oscar and Bhop said it publicly, Loeffler and Abel aren't drawing the benefits to Golovkin's dumbass because he's naive.

[Robbie Barrett]

If the fight doesn't get made, and future continues to theorize why 10 million plus upside PPV was not a good offer or not, then people will understand the nature of vacating the WBC. Loeffler and Abel were very well comfortable it going to purse bid, but we all know, GBP would absolutely not allow a GGG vs Alvarez Purse Bid. That would contradict GBP's power in general, so the only choice was to vacate. Again, all because of negotiations. If Alvarez vs Golovkin can make 1.5million PPV at $69,99 at the very least (105 million), and K2 gets 10% of the upside, that's 10.5 million extra, total of 20.5 million. You're saying for Sept. 2017, a guy who did 97k in PPV empirical merit, that reserving that date for 20.5 million is not worth it? The success of that PPV alone brings another bout between them. This isn't complicated. As Oscar and Bhop said it publicly, Loeffler and Abel aren't drawing the benefits to Golovkin's dumbass because he's naive.

If it makes 105 mil in PPV the provider and HBO take half of it, so really its 52.5 mil.

I don't think it'll sell 1.5 mil PPV's more like 1 mil.

[soul_survivor]

The day they announced this 10 million offer, Oscar said it was for September 2017. That's the absolute earliest the fight can happen.

The only reason anyone thinks he should be signing this deal now is because they want to pretend Golovkin is ducking rather than being ducked. They're all very transparent. If there's any actual intention of making this fight, this offer will be there in June or July for Golovkin to sign and he will. It's also very possible that Golovkin's star will increase while Alvarez's declines, which could change things drastically.

But Golovkin haters don't care about that. They'll bring up false examples like Kovalev-Ward (which didn't have terms like the purses or venue decided until they were through all their tuneups and ready to actually make the fight) and keep acting like Golovkin is responsible for the fight not happening.

Yeah you're right.

I was just waiting for one of these Maynerds to reply but they just go off on their own agenda

[The Big Dunn]

Or would that not be enough money for you?

I think it comes down to what is more important. I think the best example is Manny relative to Floyd.

He chose pride in 2009 because he didn't want to take a drug test. Most of his fans and many boxing experts said 2009 was his best chance to beat Floyd. He chose pride over the opportunity to fight.

In 2012 he got th $40 mil no ppv offer. Is that offer fair, no, but fighters (floyd, Kov for example) took garbage deals to get the chance to increase their stature. Manny felt the offer was not enough given how much the fight was expected to generate, even though it was much more than he ever made.

A lot of Manny fans say the pre KTFO Manny would have beaten Floyd. Manny, instead of taking that offer he made a 4th fight with JMM, a fight in which he got KTFO. Manny again chose pride over getting paid and fighting.

When Manny finally agreed to fight, he made upwards of $100 mil, much more than he would have made previously. He also lost badly. Why I think that was always going to be the case, a lot of Manny fans felt he was too shot and the KO had reduced him.

SO it comes down to who does GGG want to be- Floyd or Kov-take a garbage deal, win and reap the benefits or Manny, refuse a bad deal (after refusing a 50/50 deal), wait for the great deal, but lose because of it (according to his fans).

[M Bison]

If the fight doesn't get made, and future continues to theorize why 10 million plus upside PPV was not a good offer or not, then people will understand the nature of vacating the WBC. Loeffler and Abel were very well comfortable it going to purse bid, but we all know, GBP would absolutely not allow a GGG vs Alvarez Purse Bid. That would contradict GBP's power in general, so the only choice was to vacate. Again, all because of negotiations. If Alvarez vs Golovkin can make 1.5million PPV at $69,99 at the very least (105 million), and K2 gets 10% of the upside, that's 10.5 million extra, total of 20.5 million. You're saying for Sept. 2017, a guy who did 97k in PPV empirical merit, that reserving that date for 20.5 million is not worth it? The success of that PPV alone brings another bout between them. This isn't complicated. As Oscar and Bhop said it publicly, Loeffler and Abel aren't drawing the benefits to Golovkin's dumbass because he's naive.

Once again you quote fake numbers, he did 150 plus thousand for his first ever PPV he also offered Lemieux a fair payday because he like him both were real champions
Miguel Cotto did less than 150k on his first PPV and he has been living in US much longer than GGG and he has a larger population to attract from the States.
On GGG second return to the PPV stage he did 600 thousand plus
His brand is continually growing
He holds all the belts at 160
He is ranked higher in P4P rankings than Canelo
Canelo is once again moving back to 160 he now no longer has no WBC belt, only to offer a payday
The payday works both ways though you're idiotic If you think he and his promotion should accept such a pathetic low ball offer a year in advance that's not how business works, perhaps If it was for December 10th I'd have a different tune but this is a year in advance we're talking about.

There is just no way in hell do you accept 10% when you're the main man of 160 Canelo fan base is good but it's not in the area of it being 90% better in fact his fanbase has been dying down his fellow pro Mexican boxers have called him out on top of all the other pro boxers GGG has picked up with all the constant endorsements he has been receiving.

You wouldn't be a successful at owning a business that much is obvious.

[Bardock]

MW record he wasn't even the WBA champ for some of those fights they're counting, Sturm was.

lol funny, you ask a Golovkin fan if Jacobs has the real WBA belt and they scream in denial. But yet they want to count Golovkin's "regular" title as legit defenses. You cant make this shiiit up

[WesternChamp]

I think it comes down to what is more important. I think the best example is Manny relative to Floyd.

He chose pride in 2009 because he didn't want to take a drug test. Most of his fans and many boxing experts said 2009 was his best chance to beat Floyd. He chose pride over the opportunity to fight.

In 2012 he got th $40 mil no ppv offer. Is that offer fair, no, but fighters (floyd, Kov for example) took garbage deals to get the chance to increase their stature. Manny felt the offer was not enough given how much the fight was expected to generate, even though it was much more than he ever made.

A lot of Manny fans say the pre KTFO Manny would have beaten Floyd. Manny, instead of taking that offer he made a 4th fight with JMM, a fight in which he got KTFO. Manny again chose pride over getting paid and fighting.

When Manny finally agreed to fight, he made upwards of $100 mil, much more than he would have made previously. He also lost badly. Why I think that was always going to be the case, a lot of Manny fans felt he was too shot and the KO had reduced him.

SO it comes down to who does GGG want to be- Floyd or Kov-take a garbage deal, win and reap the benefits or Manny, refuse a bad deal (after refusing a 50/50 deal), wait for the great deal, but lose because of it (according to his fans).

if you know you can beat someone, would you fight him without random drug test...

[GGG Gloveking]

If I thought I could beat the guy, I surely wouldn't turn down $10M, unless I thought I could make $20M or better. At the same time, if I thought I could beat a dude, I sure as hell wouldn't hand that dude my championship belt and starve myself showing up naked to make the weight class below, either

[Citizen Koba]

Or would that not be enough money for you?

I would rather fight 'em for $20 mil.