Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: If No Canelo, Golovkin Must Take a Risk and Move Up!

[robertzimmerman]

not arguing with you..... but I could literally name HUNDREDS of TOP fights that occurred with the same division

you do not have to move up in order to make good fights, lil'G could have fought Jacobs/Saunders/Canelo/Lara..... he could have negotiated on the weight with lil old faded 153lb Cotto, he could have moved up for Ward and then continued his run at 160, like they were willing to do for Froch/Chavez..... the point is, he is doing absolutely nothing

..... fighters who do move up have more opportunities, so while I agree with you, what I am saying is..... if Golovkin is not going to move up, the hypejob could at least do more to make the fights that are sitting there in his own division

something > nothing

You really are special needs aren't you chief.

How many times do you need things explaining to you before it sinks in?


Jacobs:

Have you followed what's been happening within the last 6 months?

At the beginning of the year, Jacobs said he wasn't looking to fight GG for the next 12-18 months.

Then when GG had signed to fight Brook, he said he wanted the fight.

After the Brook fight, he then said again he wanted to fight GG, but he had a Mora rematch first.

After Mora, he went back in the gym and was looking towards a fight in December.

He then wanted 40% against GG which he was never going to get.

Negotiations are still on going, but now his trainer has said he needs 10-12 weeks preparation.

It's an absolute joke.


Lara:

His manager Luis DeCubas has recently said that they are currently happy at JMW. He also said that a fight would be very hard to make due to the networks and the purse. But he did confirm that Loeffler has met with Al Haymon to discuss the possibility.


Saunders:

He hasn't fought in a year, and he's only expressed an interest in GG after the Brook fight. Before the Brook fight, he basically said he wasn't ready, even telling Eubank that GG would beat them both on the same night.


Canelo:

Oscar clearly doesn't want the fight yet. They messed GG around on numerous occasions, telling Loeffler to stand by the phone after the Khan fight, only to call Frank Warren for a Liam Smith fight instead.


Ward:

A contract was sent when the Lemieux fight had been tied up, and he was awaiting on the outcome of Cotto-Canelo. Ward has also recently said that he can't make 168 anymore. The fight was never really viable. Both guys were at very different stages of their careers.


Cotto:

Please! He was never fighting GG at any weight.


So no, he couldn't simply have fought those guys.

You have no understanding of anything.

You're nothing but a clueless hater.

The site needs cleansing, and your name should be right at the top of the list.

[robertzimmerman]

Honestly Anthony Joshua is the king of boxing now, not some 34 year old who can't sell 100k ppvs.

Joshua is the king of boxing?

[aboutfkntime]

GG will move up. And when he does I'll bump threads like this to see what your pathetic a$$ has to say about it.

You're clueless.

You can't appreciate circumstances or anything.

You're one of the worst posters here.

fk moving up, what about just taking 1 of those fantasy fights that he keeps talking about.....?

he started talking about 168 back in 2012, if not earlier

I will wait for you to bump my post, with baited breath.....

[robertzimmerman]

* Canelo got 5mil for FLOYD FKN MAYWEATHER
* Golovkin refused 10mil for Canelo

You can spin that however you like but the fact remains.....

FACT: he could have simply fought Canelo

That is yet another fight that Golovkin COULD have taken, but he CHOSE not to

When will the excuses finally stop ?

Who gives a **** what Canelo got for Floyd?

He was a young kid who had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

It was over 3 years ago.

Different circumstances.

Stop trying to do direct comparisons all the time.

K2 want the best deal for their guy. The fight is at best 12 months away. If it happens, it will be huge and it will generate millions in PPV. So they're not going to accept a BS flat fee offer. They want a percentage from the total revenue. Only an absolute moron of a businessman would accept that on behalf of their fighter.

Why do you continually embarrass yourself?

[aboutfkntime]

You really are special needs aren't you chief.

How many times do you need things explaining to you before it sinks in?


Jacobs:

Have you followed what's been happening within the last 6 months?

At the beginning of the year, Jacobs said he wasn't looking to fight GG for the next 12-18 months.

Then when GG had signed to fight Brook, he said he wanted the fight.

After the Brook fight, he then said again he wanted to fight GG, but he had a Mora rematch first.

After Mora, he went back in the gym and was looking towards a fight in December.

He then wanted 40% against GG which he was never going to get.

Negotiations are still on going, but now his trainer has said he needs 10-12 weeks preparation.

It's an absolute joke.


Lara:

His manager Luis DeCubas has recently said that they are currently happy at JMW. He also said that a fight would be very hard to make due to the networks and the purse. But he did confirm that Loeffler has met with Al Haymon to discuss the possibility.


Saunders:

He hasn't fought in a year, and he's only expressed an interest in GG after the Brook fight. Before the Brook fight, he basically said he wasn't ready, even telling Eubank that GG would beat them both on the same night.


Canelo:

Oscar clearly doesn't want the fight yet. They messed GG around on numerous occasions, telling Loeffler to stand by the phone after the Khan fight, only to call Frank Warren for a Liam Smith fight instead.


Ward:

A contract was sent when the Lemieux fight had been tied up, and he was awaiting on the outcome of Cotto-Canelo. Ward has also recently said that he can't make 168 anymore. The fight was never really viable. Both guys were at very different stages of their careers.


Cotto:

Please! He was never fighting GG at any weight.


So no, he couldn't simply have fought those guys.

You have no understanding of anything.

You're nothing but a clueless hater.

The site needs cleansing, and your name should be right at the top of the list.

cool list of fantasy wins bro ^^

but yea, nah..... that's bull****, I just checked.....

* Murray
* Lemieux

http://boxrec.com/boxer/356831

[aboutfkntime]

Who gives a **** what Canelo got for Floyd?

He was a young kid who had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

It was over 3 years ago.

Different circumstances.

Stop trying to do direct comparisons all the time.

K2 want the best deal for their guy. The fight is at best 12 months away. If it happens, it will be huge and it will generate millions in PPV. So they're not going to accept a BS flat fee offer. They want a percentage from the total revenue. Only an absolute moron of a businessman would accept that on behalf of their fighter.

Why do you continually embarrass yourself?

and Golovkin is an old man with nothing to lose and everything to gain.....

..... those guys became a star by taking those fights, Golovkin is becoming a joke by refusing them

[robertzimmerman]

if that bridge was low, and there was a significant upside..... then of course I fkn would, and so would anyone else.

is Golovkin a fighter or not ?

FACT: Golovkin COULD have taken those fights, but he CHOSE not to

he is 100% responsible/accountable for his underwhelming resume'

Canelo COULD have honoured his mandatory and not given up the belt.

Oscar COULD have tried to make the fight instead of negotiating with Frank Warren for a Liam Smith fight.

Oscar COULD come to the table to reach a fair compromise for an overall percentage.

You COULD be less biased and more objective.

[Lester Tutor]

You really are special needs aren't you chief.

How many times do you need things explaining to you before it sinks in?


Jacobs:

Have you followed what's been happening within the last 6 months?

At the beginning of the year, Jacobs said he wasn't looking to fight GG for the next 12-18 months.

Then when GG had signed to fight Brook, he said he wanted the fight.

After the Brook fight, he then said again he wanted to fight GG, but he had a Mora rematch first.

After Mora, he went back in the gym and was looking towards a fight in December.

He then wanted 40% against GG which he was never going to get.

Negotiations are still on going, but now his trainer has said he needs 10-12 weeks preparation.

It's an absolute joke.


Lara:

His manager Luis DeCubas has recently said that they are currently happy at JMW. He also said that a fight would be very hard to make due to the networks and the purse. But he did confirm that Loeffler has met with Al Haymon to discuss the possibility.


Saunders:

He hasn't fought in a year, and he's only expressed an interest in GG after the Brook fight. Before the Brook fight, he basically said he wasn't ready, even telling Eubank that GG would beat them both on the same night.


Canelo:

Oscar clearly doesn't want the fight yet. They messed GG around on numerous occasions, telling Loeffler to stand by the phone after the Khan fight, only to call Frank Warren for a Liam Smith fight instead.


Ward:

A contract was sent when the Lemieux fight had been tied up, and he was awaiting on the outcome of Cotto-Canelo. Ward has also recently said that he can't make 168 anymore. The fight was never really viable. Both guys were at very different stages of their careers.


Cotto:

Please! He was never fighting GG at any weight.


So no, he couldn't simply have fought those guys.

You have no understanding of anything.

You're nothing but a clueless hater.

The site needs cleansing, and your name should be right at the top of the list.

You should listen to Redd... real men in life don't make excuses. the blue-collar joe will find a way to make ends for his family even if it's a shift not ideal to him...

There's a saying, ''everyone for themselves''

you make it seem like there are no options for Gennady Golovkin, and you don'T criticize what many of us make fun of, his mgmt. perhaps you should jump on that train because I assure you it'll probably just get better..

How can you blame other boxers for Gennady's career? In Layman's terms, if Gennady is the Hulk that he is, then he should go campaign at 168 and steal a belt! a 2 Division champ is better than coasting at 160. It doesn't matter if Bhop did it. He set the standard, so copying him when it's acknowledged that the division sucks or he can't get any fights makes his circumstances acceptable?

to you it is clear that Gennady's mgmt can do no wrong. I was in sales for 5 years, and I was hell of good at it. I'm now in IT... I can assure you there are many gullible buyers that eat what salesmen feed them...that suspension of disbelief.

[robertzimmerman]

This is sad, Team 154-168 will be waiting for Canela for awhile, skipped the Ward fight, continues facing obsolete opposition, talks big dog like they are superstar, very questionable legacy, brags about dropping bigger fighters in sparring but refuse to move up even 1 division and KO' s cans and gets put on the p4p list?!

Smfh, I think I'll leave my things here!

Why do people keep using the word 'refuses' ?

He is trying to secure fights at 160.

He is currently in negotiations to fight Jacobs.

He has not refused to move up one division.

At this moment, there is no one to fight at SMW. They are all tied up.

[aboutfkntime]

Canelo COULD have honoured his mandatory and not given up the belt.

Oscar COULD have tried to make the fight instead of negotiating with Frank Warren for a Liam Smith fight.

Oscar COULD come to the table to reach a fair compromise for an overall percentage.

You COULD be less biased and more objective.

1) Golovkin COULD have been a man of his word.....

Golovkin is willing to fight any man from 154 to 168.....

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/01/sports/la-sp-sn-boxing-golovkin-20121201

Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....

http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-aims-high-and-low-would-fight-ward-at-168-and-canelo-at-154/15398?var=no

2) Golovkin has failed to make even 1 career-defining fight





Robert, when you are busily evaluating this situation, how is it even slightly possible for you to forget the 2 points detailed above?

Alzheimers, or creepy man-love ?