Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: If No Canelo, Golovkin Must Take a Risk and Move Up!

[robertzimmerman]

For all the ggg fans
Let's do Simple Math. Ggg will Stand to make $15-20 million after its all said and done. I'll make it easier for you. Against mayweather, Canelo made $5 million vs mayweathers $40 million. That means they made a combined $45 million which came out to Canelo 11% and mayweather 89% with Canelo bringing 2 JMW belts to the table. This fight also sold 2.1 million ppv's which was the highest sold ppv at the time. Next example: Canelo vs cotto- Canelo made $5 million vs cottos $15 million for a combined $20 million. Do the math. Canelo made 25% and cotto 75%. Are you still with me? Present day Canelo vs ggg. Ggg will make $15-$20 million vs Canelos $30-$40 million. This is all depends on how good the ppv sells. Let's do the math. Let's go low end (ggg) vs high end (canelo). If Canelo makes $40 million and ggg makes $15 million that's a combined total of $55 million. Ggg makes 27% and Canelo makes 73 %. Now let's look at GGG's high end vs Canelos low end. If ggg makes $20 million and Canelo makes $30 million that's a combined $50 million. Ggg gets 40% and Canelo gets 60%. Still following?! Now let's look at both fighters high end. If ggg gets $20 million and Canelo gets $40 million that's $60 million. Ggg gets 33% and Canelo gets 67%. This is as simple as I can explain it so you and every ggg fan can understand. 8 figures does not mean 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,or 9 million. It means a guaranteed at least $10 million right of the back plus a ppv percentage. Canelo took a guaranteed $5 million for cotto and mayweather. He's offering ggg at least double that for a fight that's not guaranteed to sell 2 million ppv's

Let's keep it simple:

There is no logical reason why Oscar can't compromise on a fair percentage.


So what if Canelo took $5m from Cotto?

Cotto was the champ and it was easy pickings for him.

Apart from financial gain, GG has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Why are you making GG's offer sound so generous? He's the 'Man' in the division, it's his belts who they'll be fighting for, and I believe it will surpass the $60m that the Cotto fight generated. Sure, Canelo has a bigger fan base, but his ratings aren't off the charts when he's not in with a Floyd or Cotto type opponent. He doesn't deserve significantly more than GG. Why should he receive double (plus) the amount? He shouldn't. And both fighters need each other. Canelo hasn't got any other options that will pay him as much as a GG fight. Not unless Floyd comes out of retirement and gives him a rematch.

[robertzimmerman]

I think GGG moving up is inevitable. But I sympathize with his LONG held desire to unify and to a lesser extent to go beyond Bernard's record of MW defenses. He's SO close. It must be driving him and his team crazy. But if they can't get Saunders into the ring then he will probably have to move up.

Some of these guys are so ignorant man, and I bet most of them have never been inside a boxing gym.

There is nothing wrong with GG wanting to obtain all of the MW belts. It's a prestigious division and he's not a huge MW struggling to make weight. He's 5'10, with a 70" reach, and he makes weight easily. There's some good opponents there for him if he can get them. Also, the top guys at SMW are currently tied up.

[robertzimmerman]

I think is the only option left to GGG, it's clear that neither Jacobs or Saunders wants nothing to do with GGG and besides them there aren't money fights for him, he should move up and beat some people there, he is 34 and his style doesn't help his longevity.

I'm with you, he's in a hell of a predicament. But until those deals look to be dead in the water, he's not going to move up. While ever there's hope those fights can be made, his team will keep negotiating, especially as there aren't any big fights for him at SMW at this stage.

[Lester Tutor]

And both fighters need each other. Canelo hasn't got any other options that will pay him as much as GG fight. Not unless Floyd comes out of retirement and gives him a rematch.

what is this garbage? Why does everything revolve around Golovkin's needs? Alvarez doesn't need Golovkin...

Alvarez vs Saunders is an entity in itself. Assuming Alvarez gets the 160 WBO in 2017. Arum will easily welcome Alvarez vs Ramirez with another WBO welcoming in 2018. That's another mega fight. Both Alvarez and Zurdo are young too... To make things even more better, by 2018-2019 they can still milk out Alvarez vs Chavez Jr., as Jr. will still be younger than what Gennady is TODAY!

Crazy huh!

Get with the program. Mexican boxing doesn't need Golovkin. This is all objective speaking. Your dumbass wants Gennady at 160. We want Gennady at 168. IT'S BETTER FOR BOXING. You've got posters here saying ''you want Gennady to lose...''

Since when was the perception that Gennady would lose to 168?! fckn ridiculous this site is with insecurities. We just want the best fights. Alvarez vs Golovkin isn't the end of everything. Each to their own destiny. If Golovkin relies on dudes coming South to North then he's straight up pussie...there's no other explanation to it.

[robertzimmerman]

Doesn't change anything. When life deals you lemons you can follow plan B or you can look like a sad sack blaming life for your failure to achieve.

Also, don't fall into the trap that many here do in thinking that we know about the negotiations. Your perception is manipulated by interviews and tweets about supposed business dealings. This is an oooold tactic and it's all about getting to the press first. Certain promoters use this heavily today because the public still falls for it. I'm not arguing about Canelo vs GGG, just mentioning it because I see guys like Maxi that think they know everything that goes on behind closed doors because he reads tweets. We hardy know a fraction of it.

I agree, but GG was down to option C when he fought Brook.

There comes a time when you've got to realise most of his opposition don't really want to fight him. And when the best fighters at the weight above are tied up, his options are severely limited.

I also agree with your second paragraph. But it's clear that Oscar doesn't want the fight.

[robertzimmerman]

fk moving up, what about just taking 1 of those fantasy fights that he keeps talking about.....?

he started talking about 168 back in 2012, if not earlier

I will wait for you to bump my post, with baited breath.....

What fantasy fights?

[robertzimmerman]

cool list of fantasy wins bro ^^

but yea, nah..... that's bull****, I just checked.....

* Murray
* Lemieux

http://boxrec.com/boxer/356831

As per usual, a NOTHING post.

You speak without saying anything.

You come on here and type ****, yet all you can do when you're pushed, is give a link to his resume.

What's the point?

Refute what I've said.

Tell me how he could have fought those guys.

How could he have just fought a guy like Lara, when his own manager has said that they're happy where they are, and there'd be numerous obstacles to overcome to make a fight?

All you do is list names.

Anyone can do that.

[Lester Tutor]

I agree, but GG was down to option C when he fought Brook.

There comes a time when you've got to realise most of his opposition don't really want to fight him. And when the best fighters at the weight above are tied up, his options are severely limited.

I also agree with your second paragraph. But it's clear that Oscar doesn't want the fight.

Here's more misinformed garbage. It's very clear that Warren and Hearn haven't been fond of Eubank Sr. even before the Brook bought came about...call it a conspiracy if you will, but even UK media made the Eubank family the enemy when it was Blackwell's dumbass corner not stopping the fight sooner that eventually ended dude's career...

then there's still consistency that it's the Eubank's to blame regarding what Sr. wants best for his son's career. Notice how even UK press accidentally gave details in the eye of Sr. that wanted better spotlight for Jr.. How is all that orchestrated as ducking? Is that UK style?

Loeffler sold to the public that HBO ''needed the date'' for Golovkin, so they ended up with Brook. This magical ''date'' where even Dec. 10th was the ''date'' for K2 because Gennady MUST fight 3 times a year...right?

Was Eubank Jr. a mandatory for the Brook date? HBO would've been cool with any other fighter that Loeffler would'Ve suggested. Would Heiland turn down 100K like how Monroe Jr. was offered?

the whole Brook bout was even talked about before Eubank came into the picture..

all tomfoolery from Loeffoolery and Dirty Sanchez. telling yall man. they're a joke squad.

[robertzimmerman]

and Golovkin is an old man with nothing to lose and everything to gain.....

..... those guys became a star by taking those fights, Golovkin is becoming a joke by refusing them

It's the other way around.

Apart from financial gain, GG has nothing to gain and everything to lose.

He has all of the belts apart from the WBO.

He's supposed to beat Canelo.

Canelo was a young kid who took on the king of boxing.

A loss to Floyd mean nothing. He was never supposed to win.

A loss for GG would be catastrophic.

How does he look like a joke for trying to secure himself the best deal possible from a huge fight that will gross millions of dollars in revenue?

[robertzimmerman]

You should listen to Redd... real men in life don't make excuses. the blue-collar joe will find a way to make ends for his family even if it's a shift not ideal to him...

There's a saying, ''everyone for themselves''

you make it seem like there are no options for Gennady Golovkin, and you don'T criticize what many of us make fun of, his mgmt. perhaps you should jump on that train because I assure you it'll probably just get better..

How can you blame other boxers for Gennady's career? In Layman's terms, if Gennady is the Hulk that he is, then he should go campaign at 168 and steal a belt! a 2 Division champ is better than coasting at 160. It doesn't matter if Bhop did it. He set the standard, so copying him when it's acknowledged that the division sucks or he can't get any fights makes his circumstances acceptable?

to you it is clear that Gennady's mgmt can do no wrong. I was in sales for 5 years, and I was hell of good at it. I'm now in IT... I can assure you there are many gullible buyers that eat what salesmen feed them...that suspension of disbelief.

You're on a mission to discredit GG at every available opportunity.

Where are the excuses?

Refute what I've said.

You want him to fight at SMW, fine. Tell me who he can fight, when DeGale and Jack are about to fight, Ramirez is out injured, and guys like Smith and Groves have got fights lined up?

You need the opportunity.

Stop being biased and start being more objective.

Oscar said to Loeffler: "Stand by your phone on Monday morning" before ringing Frank Warren instead for a Liam Smith fight.

Eubank wanted to fight him, yet his father wanted full control over the entire promotion, which included: Doubling the ticket prices, doubling the PPV, and wanting to organise the undercard and the fighter's accommodation etc.

Danny Jacobs wanted GG and was back in the gym weeks ago, supposedly wanting to fight in December at Barclays. But now he suddenly needs 10-12 weeks preparation?

GG is now in a tough predicament through no fault of his own.