Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: If No Canelo, Golovkin Must Take a Risk and Move Up!

[robertzimmerman]

1) Golovkin COULD have been a man of his word.....

Golovkin is willing to fight any man from 154 to 168.....

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/01/sports/la-sp-sn-boxing-golovkin-20121201

Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....

http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-aims-high-and-low-would-fight-ward-at-168-and-canelo-at-154/15398?var=no

2) Golovkin has failed to make even 1 career-defining fight





Robert, when you are busily evaluating this situation, how is it even slightly possible for you to forget the 2 points detailed above?

Alzheimers, or creepy man-love ?

How can he make career defining fights, if he doesn't have the opportunity?


Oscar doesn't want the Canelo fight yet.

Jacobs suddenly needs 12 weeks preparation.

Lara is happy at JMW.

Cotto would never have fought him.

Froch was happy to retire.

Ward sent a contract when GG had a fight lined up and has since admitted that he can't make 168.


Where have the opportunities been for him?


Apart from Jacobs and his team, when has any representatives of the above fighters, actually sat down in person to discuss any specifics?

It's never happened.

[Raonic]

lol at you pretending that DOUBLE what Canelo got paid to fight Mayweather is not an upside LMAO

I already acknowledged that $10 million is a high purse for GGG compared to his other fights. That doesn't mean that it's a fair offer either when you take context into it.

[Lester Tutor]

You're on a mission to discredit GG at every available opportunity.

Where are the excuses?

Refute what I've said.

You want him to fight at SMW, fine. Tell me who he can fight, when DeGale and Jack are about to fight, Ramirez is out injured, and guys like Smith and Groves have got fights lined up?

You need the opportunity.

Stop being biased and start being more objective.

Oscar said to Loeffler: "Stand by your phone on Monday morning" before ringing Frank Warren instead for a Liam Smith fight.

Eubank wanted to fight him, yet his father wanted full control over the entire promotion, which included: Doubling the ticket prices, doubling the PPV, and wanting to organise the undercard and the fighter's accommodation etc.

Danny Jacobs wanted GG and was back in the gym weeks ago, supposedly wanting to fight in December at Barclays. But now he suddenly needs 10-12 weeks preparation?

GG is now in a tough predicament through no fault of his own.

Redd already stated if Gennady wants to stay at 160 then it's fine. You're saying 2017 all of 168 is booked...
Read the thread title dude.... I guess we're all idiots to even slightly agree with what Roy says...

grow some.

[robertzimmerman]

SugarKaineHook,

what is this garbage? Why does everything revolve around Golovkin's needs? Alvarez doesn't need Golovkin...

Every post you make that's GG related, is complete and utter garbage.

Alvarez vs Saunders is an entity in itself. Assuming Alvarez gets the 160 WBO in 2017. Arum will easily welcome Alvarez vs Ramirez with another WBO welcoming in 2018. That's another mega fight. Both Alvarez and Zurdo are young too... To make things even more better, by 2018-2019 they can still milk out Alvarez vs Chavez Jr., as Jr. will still be younger than what Gennady is TODAY!

Let's be realistic:

A win over Saunders would give Oscar a lot of leverage in negotiations. However, Canelo is currently out injured, and Saunders would be a huge risk for Canelo to fight, which could scupper a huge fight with GG down the line. Oscar will probably give Canelo a relatively easy opponent to face at his first fight at MW, especially if it's in May. By the time May comes around, he'll have been inactive for 8 months. GG could well get to Saunders first. And although it's a big IF at the moment, if GG was able to to beat both Jacobs and Saunders by mid 2017, Canelo would have nowhere to go, unless he fought guys like Brook at a CW. Not only would GG have obtained every belt in the division, but he'd also have taken Saunders and Jacobs out of the equation as potential opponents for Canelo. If that were to happen, Canelo couldn't fight any other relevant fights at MW. Also, the pressure to fight GG would be unbearable. If I was in GG's position now, I think I'd drop Jacobs if he's not serious, clear up a mandatory, and then go all out to fight Saunders afterwards.


Why on earth have you mentioned Zurdo Ramirez?

Canelo vs Ramirez?

Have I read that right?

Are you on mind bending drugs?

Zurdo Ramirez is a 6'2, SMW, who has a 75" reach.

He's huge at the weight.

He's a southpaw.

On what planet would Canelo ever fight Ramirez?

On what planet would Oscar ever let that happen?


You are out of your mind.


Chavez?

Chavez won't be fighting at MW in 4 years time.

He'll probably be retired by then.

Crazy huh!

Get with the program. Mexican boxing doesn't need Golovkin. This is all objective speaking. Your dumbass wants Gennady at 160. We want Gennady at 168. IT'S BETTER FOR BOXING. You've got posters here saying ''you want Gennady to lose...''

I also want him at 168. But I'd love to see him fight Jacobs, Saunders, Canelo and Eubank at MW first. (in a perfect world)

Again, the best guys at SMW are tied up. But I'd love to see him fight the winner of DeGale-Jack, and then Ramirez at some point.

Since when was the perception that Gennady would lose to 168?! fckn ridiculous this site is with insecurities. We just want the best fights. Alvarez vs Golovkin isn't the end of everything. Each to their own destiny. If Golovkin relies on dudes coming South to North then he's straight up pussie...there's no other explanation to it.

As above.

[Lester Tutor]

SugarKaineHook,



Every post you make that's GG related, is complete and utter garbage.



Let's be realistic:

A win over Saunders would give Oscar a lot of leverage in negotiations. However, Canelo is currently out injured, and Saunders would be a huge risk for Canelo to fight, which could scupper a huge fight with GG down the line. Oscar will probably give Canelo a relatively easy opponent to face at his first fight at MW, especially if it's in May. By the time May comes around, he'll have been inactive for 8 months. GG could well get to Saunders first. And although it's a big IF at the moment, if GG was able to to beat both Jacobs and Saunders by mid 2017, Canelo would have nowhere to go, unless he fought guys like Brook at a CW. Not only would GG have obtained every belt in the division, but he'd also have taken Saunders and Jacobs out of the equation as potential opponents for Canelo. If that were to happen, Canelo couldn't fight any other relevant fights at MW. Also, the pressure to fight GG would be unbearable. If I was in GG's position now, I think I'd drop Jacobs if he's not serious, clear up a mandatory, and then go all out to fight Saunders afterwards.


Why on earth have you mentioned Zurdo Ramirez?

Canelo vs Ramirez?

Have I read that right?

Are you on mind bending drugs?

Zurdo Ramirez is a 6'2, SMW, who has a 75" reach.

He's huge at the weight.

He's a southpaw.

On what planet would Canelo ever fight Ramirez?

On what planet would Oscar ever let that happen?


You are out of your mind.


Chavez?

Chavez won't be fighting at MW in 4 years time.

He'll probably be retired by then.




I also want him at 168. But I'd love to see him fight Jacobs, Saunders, Canelo and Eubank at MW first. (in a perfect world)

Again, the best guys at SMW are tied up. But I'd love to see him fight the winner of DeGale-Jack, and then Ramirez at some point.



As above.

Which guys at SMW are tied up? HAve you foreseen the whole 2017 lineup and scheduling? Floyd already said he'd like to matchup Jack with Golovkin. Is Jack tied up all of 2017? DeGale? Ramirez? Sturm? What are their 2017 schedule?

[robertzimmerman]

SugarKaineHook,

Here's more misinformed garbage. It's very clear that Warren and Hearn haven't been fond of Eubank Sr. even before the Brook bought came about...call it a conspiracy if you will, but even UK media made the Eubank family the enemy when it was Blackwell's dumbass corner not stopping the fight sooner that eventually ended dude's career...

More nonsense from you.

Eubank Snr came out of that fight with a lot of credit. We still don't know whether or not his instructions to target the body were due to compassion or not, but either way, he gained a ton of respect for it.

then there's still consistency that it's the Eubank's to blame regarding what Sr. wants best for his son's career. Notice how even UK press accidentally gave details in the eye of Sr. that wanted better spotlight for Jr.. How is all that orchestrated as ducking? Is that UK style?

I'm English and I've been watching Eubank since 1991. He's eccentric. He has a huge ego. Of course he only wanted the best for his son. But his ego went into overdrive and he got carried away. He obviously didn't deliberately try and sabotage the fight, but that's exactly what he did. His demands were crazy, especially as Eubank is only a British champ.

Let me tell you something after watching Snr for 25 years:

If what any of Eddie Hearn had said wasn't true, Snr would have responded within the hour. Yet he never said a word for SIX WEEKS! This is a guy who poses in the ring in between rounds. A man who wants to be referred to as: "English" A man who says : "Damage is good" Yet the only thing he could muster after 6 weeks, was: "I made some mistakes"

It's Jnr I feel for. Because I genuinely believe him when he says he never saw the contract. That was true. Because his father was trying to get it amended with crazy clauses put in. So it wasn't a duck. But Snr cost his son the fight.

Loeffler sold to the public that HBO ''needed the date'' for Golovkin, so they ended up with Brook. This magical ''date'' where even Dec. 10th was the ''date'' for K2 because Gennady MUST fight 3 times a year...right?

No.

HBO's September date had been pencilled in for months.

When Brook came in, everything had been set up: The date, the venue, his training camp etc. The fight was made official exactly 9 weeks to the day of the weigh-in.

Yes, a December date was pencilled in after Brook. That was always the target for HBO.

Was Eubank Jr. a mandatory for the Brook date? HBO would've been cool with any other fighter that Loeffler would'Ve suggested. Would Heiland turn down 100K like how Monroe Jr. was offered?

You've got no concept of the business side of things.

As above:

GG was due to start camp the week after the Brook fight had been made official.

If Eddie Hearn hadn't have got Brook lined up as a last minute replacement, the
show would have been cancelled.

1. Why on earth would K2 have walked away from a $5m fight that gave GG huge exposure in the U.K. ?

2. If for some crazy idea they would have walked, for GG to have had a normal camp, they'd have had to have lined up another fighter and another venue in less than a week.

3. HBO has a budget, they can't just easily change dates when they have a schedule to adhere to.

the whole Brook bout was even talked about before Eubank came into the picture..

all tomfoolery from Loeffoolery and Dirty Sanchez. telling yall man. they're a joke squad.

A Brook fight was merely discussed as a hypothetical possibility at some point.

He was just another option.

It was a Eubank fight that everyone wanted.

[robertzimmerman]

Redd already stated if Gennady wants to stay at 160 then it's fine. You're saying 2017 all of 168 is booked...
Read the thread title dude.... I guess we're all idiots to even slightly agree with what Roy says...

grow some.

Again, I also want him to move up. But you've got to be objective and look at his current circumstances.

[robertzimmerman]

Which guys at SMW are tied up? HAve you foreseen the whole 2017 lineup and scheduling? Floyd already said he'd like to matchup Jack with Golovkin. Is Jack tied up all of 2017? DeGale? Ramirez? Sturm? What are their 2017 schedule?

I meant that those guys are CURRENTLY tied up.

GG cannot move up to SMW now and fight any big fights within the next few months. So what's the point?

He should only move up if he definitely can't get fights against Jacobs, Saunders and Canelo.

It's also better to see what unfolds at SMW.

A future fight against the winner of Jack-DeGale could be a very good fight for him. I'd love to see that.

[aboutfkntime]

I meant that those guys are CURRENTLY tied up.

GG cannot move up to SMW now and fight any big fights within the next few months. So what's the point?

He should only move up if he definitely can't get fights against Jacobs, Saunders and Canelo.

It's also better to see what unfolds at SMW.

A future fight against the winner of Jack-DeGale could be a very good fight for him. I'd love to see that.

* he refused Canelo TWICE, once over the weight, and then over the money..... you can forget that fight, it aint happening.

* he offered Saunders 1.5mil, Saunders then watched Kell fkn Brook make 4mil+..... so you can forget that fight as well..... Saunders is obviously going to wait for Canelo

* they are killing the Jacobs fight as we speak, they called for an early purse-bid rather than negotiate in good faith..... the WBA can see whats up so they refused the purse-bid and extended the negotiation date..... it is highly unlikely that Team Bull**** will land that fight either

Also, I would just about bet my life that Golovkin's ONLY journey to 168 will be against a lesser made-to-order opponent and likely in his last/second last fight.

[aboutfkntime]

I already acknowledged that $10 million is a high purse for GGG compared to his other fights. That doesn't mean that it's a fair offer either when you take context into it.

the appropriate context is.....

* that is 2 years pay, and more importantly, HUGE exposure
* Golovkin has never had a career-defining fight
* he is 35yo, and this is getting ridiculous

I am sure that you will have some counter-points..... and I am sure that some will be correct/fair..... but they will only add to the points above, not erase them.

that is kinda starting to look like a cash-out fight...... like they are dangling the carrot (top) no pun intended ..... kinda like Arum did with Pac and the old bait-n-switch.....

..... they talked about fighting Canelo, and had no problem with 154..... then suddenly the weight became a show-stopper, wtf?

..... then, after Canelo (unbelievably) gave in and decided to fight Golovkin at 160..... despite the fact that Team Golovkin have stated that they are willing to make concessions, they walked out on 10mil LMAO

sounding more and more like a cash-out every day