Comments Thread For: Arum Interested in Keith Thurman, Danny Garcia For Pacquiao

[WesternChamp]

How is that good business for Thurman or Garcia? Taking on a near shot fighter, who no longer commands the public attention (largely due to his performance in the Mayweather fight, and the rhetoric that's continued to spew from his mouth, which has blackballed him from being on TV in the US), and is going to go into any talks feeling entitled to getting near all the money?

It's good business for Pacquiao (he gets a PPV event that HBO would actually want a piece of) and that's about it.

so beating a guy like manny does nothing for them right. foh!

[Scipio2009]

yes! Thurman/Garcia winner vs Pacquaio/Vargas winner for the WBC/WBA/WBO/Ring/Lineal titles

why is Pacquiao/Vargas winner in a lineal title fight when Pacquiao already got sparked by the prior lineal champ and Vargas' belt was one that was basically thrown vacant on the night of the Mayweather fight?

Thurman has his belt (elevated from Floyd), Garcia has his belt (won the vacant belt after Floyd), Kell Brook has his belt (separated from when Floyd got all of the belts after beating baldomir/judah), and Vargas has a belt.

Thurman/Garcia winner facing Kell Brook (or whomever emerges after the resolution of a possible vacated belt situation) has a better claim to the actual lineage package than facing the Vargas/Pacquiao winner

[Scipio2009]

So you rather not have arum explore any option of putting Manny in with someone new and creditble? You're more worry about what's going on with arum running out of in house fights to put on?. This is why boxing is dying because of idiots like you.

I don't care if Pacquiao throws another punch, tbh. I'm just making the point that Arum is talking up Haymon's fighters (always with the caveat that they not expect to be paid much) because HBO no longer has any interest in Pacquiao, and talking about Haymon's fighters helps Arum get some press for Pacquiao's coming fight, since Pacquiao can't go out and get the press for himself (note how Stephen A. Smith, a quality TV personality, but a commentator with near no actual experience in calling boxing, was able to go on Jimmy Kimmel Live and talk up the Pacquiao fight).

If Arum was truly legit in his push to make fights, he would've come with more than $4m for the Broner fight (Pacquiao-Broner is a fight that HBO would've been glad to host on PPV with MGM Resorts likely having interest in hosting the event, versus Pacquiao-Vargas, a fight that they are hosting at UNLV's Thomas and Mack Center with near no local attention).

Arum is setting things up for Garcia and Thurman to be offered "show up" money, when having those guys as opponents are the only way for Arum to even merit the fight being PPV with a chance to cover costs.

Arum refuses to do good business, so he should move on

[WesternChamp]

I don't care if Pacquiao throws another punch, tbh. I'm just making the point that Arum is talking up Haymon's fighters (always with the caveat that they not expect to be paid much) because HBO no longer has any interest in Pacquiao, and talking about Haymon's fighters helps Arum get some press for Pacquiao's coming fight, since Pacquiao can't go out and get the press for himself (note how Stephen A. Smith, a quality TV personality, but a commentator with near no actual experience in calling boxing, was able to go on Jimmy Kimmel Live and talk up the Pacquiao fight).

If Arum was truly legit in his push to make fights, he would've come with more than $4m for the Broner fight (Pacquiao-Broner is a fight that HBO would've been glad to host on PPV with MGM Resorts likely having interest in hosting the event, versus Pacquiao-Vargas, a fight that they are hosting at UNLV's Thomas and Mack Center with near no local attention).

Arum is setting things up for Garcia and Thurman to be offered "show up" money, when having those guys as opponents are the only way for Arum to even merit the fight being PPV with a chance to cover costs.

Arum refuses to do good business, so he should move on

broner's highest purse is $1.75mil. the fuck you talking about broner deserve more? arum pretty much pay pac's opponents $3-6mil.

[Scipio2009]

Vargas is better than broner so thank god for that. Also lets not forget who priced themselves out of fighting pacquiao. Broner admitted to pricing himself out, turned down 4 million, also danny garcia claimed to have turned down between 3-4 million even though it wasnt true. Haymons pbc losers are the ones pricing themselves out so how can you call that a bait and switch.

Adrien Broner (About Billions Promotions) brings more revenues to the table than a simple $4m payday would suggest, and everyone beyond Top Rank seemed to acknowledge this. People may ignore this, but the Vegas casinos are literally having near nothing to do with Pacquiao-Vargas.

If Arum was legit about making the fight, Top Rank would've split the event with Broner straight up, giving Arum an event that he could actually shop to HBO and MGM Resorts.

In what world is Pacquiao getting $15m (guessing at the offer, but the pushed story is that Pacquiao is giving up some money to help make fights) and Broner getting $4m, for Pacquiao-Broner, even remotely equitable?

[WesternChamp]

when arum talks about making an in-house fights.

you: god, arum always making in-house fight. why dont he ever trys to make fights with other fighters not under TR.

when arum talks about possibility of matching his fighters against other fighters outside of TR.

you: he's lying, he's just doing this to hype up the fight he has coming up.

[WesternChamp]

Adrien Broner (About Billions Promotions) brings more revenues to the table than a simple $4m payday would suggest, and everyone beyond Top Rank seemed to acknowledge this. People may ignore this, but the Vegas casinos are literally having near nothing to do with Pacquiao-Vargas.

If Arum was legit about making the fight, Top Rank would've split the event with Broner straight up, giving Arum an event that he could actually shop to HBO and MGM Resorts.

In what world is Pacquiao getting $15m (guessing at the offer, but the pushed story is that Pacquiao is giving up some money to help make fights) and Broner getting $4m, for Pacquiao-Broner, even remotely equitable?

how much do you think broner will bring in???

marquez brought the whole mexico and he only got $5mil for fighting pac so stfu!

[brettWall]

Adrien Broner (About Billions Promotions) brings more revenues to the table than a simple $4m payday would suggest, and everyone beyond Top Rank seemed to acknowledge this. People may ignore this, but the Vegas casinos are literally having near nothing to do with Pacquiao-Vargas.

If Arum was legit about making the fight, Top Rank would've split the event with Broner straight up, giving Arum an event that he could actually shop to HBO and MGM Resorts.

In what world is Pacquiao getting $15m (guessing at the offer, but the pushed story is that Pacquiao is giving up some money to help make fights) and Broner getting $4m, for Pacquiao-Broner, even remotely equitable?

Dude, you should focus on ranting about why Haymon fighters rarely fight each other than posting extremely biased nonsense of yours. Aren't you sick of these Haymon fighters fighting once a year and when they do they fight nobodies?

[Scipio2009]

So Danny in that video basically admits that he was offered in the neighborhood of 4 million dollars for a Pacquaio fight. Him not denying it when he was asked is basically him confirming it.

Can someone please tell me where Danny can get that type of purse anywhere else? And lmao at him saying "if he wants the fight, then tell him to accept MY offer".

Dude. Hes been around long enough and should know how this A side and B side thing works.

Danny Garcia brings more money to the table than a $4m share on the proceeds of the fight would suggest; $4m to Garcia, $20m to Pacquiao would peg Pacquiao-Garcia as needing to do ~$50m to cover everything ($10m at the live gate, $40m on PPV/other revenues; depending on where the event gets priced, you're looking at needing 750k PPV buys to break even). Garcia and his father aren't fools.

Rather than get shafted on the money, Garcia passed on the offer, took some time off, and is closing out the year with taking a fight home to a 10k-seat venue in Philadelphia (no doubt adding a good-sized extra check to whatever he's going to get from the TV rights to the fight), before opening his 2017 with a massive unification fight against Keith Thurman (no doubt split near 50/50 between the two fighters, for a fight that, staged in either Brooklyn or Las Vegas, will generate a massive payday for both of them).

Garcia has options and chose to take them; between the tune-up homecoming and the Thurman fight, Garcia is likely earmarked to make well more than what was allegedly offered to subsidize a Pacquiao fight with his fanbase.

[WesternChamp]

Danny Garcia brings more money to the table than a $4m share on the proceeds of the fight would suggest; $4m to Garcia, $20m to Pacquiao would peg Pacquiao-Garcia as needing to do ~$50m to cover everything ($10m at the live gate, $40m on PPV/other revenues; depending on where the event gets priced, you're looking at needing 750k PPV buys to break even). Garcia and his father aren't fools.

Rather than get shafted on the money, Garcia passed on the offer, took some time off, and is closing out the year with taking a fight home to a 10k-seat venue in Philadelphia (no doubt adding a good-sized extra check to whatever he's going to get from the TV rights to the fight), before opening his 2017 with a massive unification fight against Keith Thurman (no doubt split near 50/50 between the two fighters, for a fight that, staged in either Brooklyn or Las Vegas, will generate a massive payday for both of them).

Garcia has options and chose to take them; between the tune-up homecoming and the Thurman fight, Garcia is likely earmarked to make well more than what was allegedly offered to subsidize a Pacquiao fight with his fanbase.

were you complaining this hard when floyd was making $30+mil and his opponents were only getting $1-4mil?