Why is it when people mention GGG moving up Hagler is brought up?

[Citizen Koba]

No.i am simply asking why is Hagler mentioned when there was no 168 then..thats it

Guess I already answered then. Whether or not Hagler would have moved up had there been a SMW division is moot. He didn't. TBH he didn't need to. He made out just fine in terms of getting both $s and 'big fights' (though IMO the two are synonymous - daring to be great is inevitably 'daring to be rich') just where he was - at least eventually. Why would he move up when the guys who brought the $s would come to him? Maybe he could have moved up to 175 in the period when he was unable to land big fights, but yes, that would have been a big ask.

[BattlingNelson]

Guess I already answered then. Whether or not Hagler would have moved up had there been a SMW division is moot. He didn't. TBH he didn't need to. He made out just fine in terms of getting both $s and 'big fights' (though IMO the two are synonymous - daring to be great is inevitably 'daring to be rich') just where he was. Why would he move up when the guys who brought the $s would come to him?

Hagler didn't want Spinks. That's a fact.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

There was no 168 division when Hagler was fighting...Leonard won the first recognized title there in 1988. Do people even know the history of the sport? Hagler would had had to jump straight to 175(which would have been chasing greatness)

Probably the same reason Monzon is mentioned. He didn't chase greatness at 175 either, but definitely a HOFamer. I don't think there used to be so much pressure to move up. The added weight divisions over the years made it easier to win multiple divisional titles.

The situation is different now though as you say. If you're saying GGG should go to 168, I now agree with you. He's got some fights at 160 but I don't think they will be made anytime soon. He'd get better challenges at 168. He should take a page from Lomachenko. Challenging himself is the priority...well, for us fans anyway. Haha. Either way, I think he'd make more money that way, too.

[CoachMac34]

A nice question, but the answer is simple...because Hagler never moved up !! Doesn't matter how many weight classes there were, Bhops made the move from 160 to 175 so why didn't Hagler ? MMH was comfortable at 160 and so is GGG. If that's his best weight then he should remain there.

[Rip Chudd]

cause 99% of the poeple here do not know boxing and basically just repeat what they heard someone else say and thought it fit their agenda, or view points.

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[frantic fighter]

A nice question, but the answer is simple...because Hagler never moved up !! Doesn't matter how many weight classes there were, Bhops made the move from 160 to 175 so why didn't Hagler ? MMH was comfortable at 160 and so is GGG. If that's his best weight then he should remain there.

Completely different scenarios Hopkins stands 6"1 and performed extraordinary feats(running six miles a day) just to keep himself at middle as long as he did. Hagler conversely, stood a fortuitous 5"9 and was only marginally larger than Leonard when they met at the end of his career.

[Redd Foxx]

If that's his best weight then he should remain there.

The issue is one of legacy. I've never felt that any boxer owed it to anyone to change weight if he didn't want to. However, if Golovkin wants a legacy befitting of his talents, he's gotta go outside of this weak division.

We still talk about Haggler because he had Hearns, Leonard, Duran, etc, etc. He was part of history. Do you think people are going to remember who the fuq Lemieux, Geale, or even Saunders and Jacobs were? If he's a small middleweight (as many claim) 154 is loaded with talent. If that's not possible, conquering 168 is impressive and he may be able to catch weight some of the quality LHWs.

Like I said, I don't think he's obligated to. But, if fans want him to be remembered, he's gotta go seek that greatness because he didn't find it beating Rubio, Wade, etc.

[bluepete]

Well I often think of how Hopkins didn't move up until he had lost the two fights to Taylor.I don't think it's smart to leave your division unless youve cleaned up,outgrown it or have a really big money fight a division up.So even if Super middleweight was around I don't see that Hagler would've necessarily moved up.

[hugh grant]

There's no point in GGG moving up yet. If he moves up people will rewrite histoihistoiry and say be didn't clkear up at 160, didn't even prove he was best at 160

[Ray*]

It's called September 2012, the day they saw GGG fight on HBO for the first time against the almighty proska.