How good was Dariusz Michalczewski?

[Humean]

I wouldn't say that Dariusz's chance of beating Roy would have been decent.

I wouldn't say they had similar results against the same opponents either.

In hindsight I'd have given him around a 5/1 chance against Jones which is a 16.7% chance, that is decent compared to Jones's other opponents chances. If they had fought at the time then the odds probably would have been closer than that.

Their results against common opponents were similar, both comprehensively defeated Hill, the tiger did it first battering him around the ring then Roy laid him out with a body punch in the fight after. Roy defeated Griffin on the second attempt before Michalczewski stopped him early, they both handled Hall and Harmon in a clear and dominant fashion. The Gonzalez results are where there is a noticable difference.

[therealpugilist]

I wouldn't say that Dariusz's chance of beating Roy would have been decent.

I wouldn't say they had similar results against the same opponents either.

I think Jones would have done the typical 9-3, 8-4 type clear win....DM is pretty predictable in his punch selection and he depends on a jab

Jones slaughters guys who depended on a good jab like Reggie Johnson and Virgil Hill

Jones had sick counters and enough pop to hurt him, at 175 he was happy to cruise to a UD12

[therealpugilist]

Holyfield-Qawi I is simply one of the greatest ever fights, great fight and great contrast in styles. Qawi had the oddest body shape, like a complete square. Qawi slipped and rolled with punches so beautifully. I actually think he was more talented than Joe Frazier although Frazier had that great left hook.

I think they were similar in talent....IMO that left hook and Fraziers tenacity seperates them

Qawi had better punch variety whereas Frazier had more one punch power and underrated defense...he made guys miss a lot and by inches or rolled them

that fight is the greatest cruiserweight fight of all time with..Toney vs Jirov not too far behind

[Elotero]

same way that said Margarito beats Mayweather

bwahahahahahahahahaha.......guess they missed Cotto and Daniel Santos boxing his ears off


many of these guys are posters from the old east side boxing and other forum days


They hated Jones and all they could say was " he ducking DM doe, he not the man doe!!"

Daniel Santos got a gift on his island bro. margarito was mopping him up.

[therealpugilist]

Daniel Santos got a gift on his island bro. margarito was mopping him up.

bro...Cotto was hitting him at will and making him look foolish, so did an old mosley

you really think margarita was a threat? Ok he was bigger but he fought like he was 5'6"....no head movement, and slow as molasses....didn't use his jab


Margarito was tailor made for Mayweather who often did exceptional vs taller fighters

Margarito brough nothing to the table besides height and size, skillwise he was not there

also it upsets me how people belittle Jose Luis Castillo....he was far more skilled than Margarito....he had more punch variety, better defense, counterpunching, etc...they have nothing in common besides being Mexican and being pressure fighters.....they applied their pressure different and JLC was flat out a higher caliber fighter


Margarito looked average everytime he fought a top fighter....Arum did a good job promoting him but I could see past the hype

[robertzimmerman]

In hindsight I'd have given him around a 5/1 chance against Jones which is a 16.7% chance, that is decent compared to Jones's other opponents chances. If they had fought at the time then the odds probably would have been closer than that.

Their results against common opponents were similar, both comprehensively defeated Hill, the tiger did it first battering him around the ring then Roy laid him out with a body punch in the fight after. Roy defeated Griffin on the second attempt before Michalczewski stopped him early, they both handled Hall and Harmon in a clear and dominant fashion. The Gonzalez results are where there is a noticable difference.

Yeah, I think the odds would have been closer.

I respect what you're saying about their common opponents, but I think Hall caused Dariusz a few issues whereas Roy gave him a hiding.

[Humean]

Yeah, I think the odds would have been closer.

I respect what you're saying about their common opponents, but I think Hall caused Dariusz a few issues whereas Roy gave him a hiding.

Yeah Roy did beat him better but Michalczewski did beat him twice. In the second fight I think you can see that Michalczewski was in sharp decline as a figher due to age and injuries.

[therealpugilist]

Yeah Roy did beat him better but Michalczewski did beat him twice. In the second fight I think you can see that Michalczewski was in sharp decline as a figher due to age and injuries.

Yea....DM was slipping by the late 90s

Jones was still at his peak.....just fighting naturally larger guys

that fight was a hot topic on message boards in the early 2000s

IMO Dariusz only shot was a ko or bust

[BattlingNelson]

DM couldnt carry Jones jockstrap...made no sense to go to germany as the bigger name with all the belts, big hbo contract and fight over in a country where many have been screwed


The only intrigue was that DM was undefeated, he beat hill first, and that he had size on jones

nothing he did technically was anything Jones couldnt overcome

DM Was also the champion. Jones just didnt want to beat the man. He just wanted trinkets which Was handel to him by brasede governing bodies and a certain yank Trade Magazine.

Oh and how Was it that german stars fared in the US? Think Schulz against Foreman or Sturm against DLH. Normally a challenger comes to the champion. Jones just didnt care as the fat HBO paychecks kept on coming regardless of the standard of opponents.

[Humean]

Yea....DM was slipping by the late 90s

Jones was still at his peak.....just fighting naturally larger guys

that fight was a hot topic on message boards in the early 2000s

IMO Dariusz only shot was a ko or bust

The decline was in 2002 from my memory. His first fight against Hall was in Dec 2001 and he still pretty much looked as good as ever but by the second fight at the end of 2002 he looked like he'd lost sharpness and likewise against Harmon in 2003 he didn't look like he was, but he still managed to stop them.