How good was Dariusz Michalczewski?

[therealpugilist]

DM Was also the champion. Jones just didnt want to beat the man. He just wanted trinkets which Was handel to him by brasede governing bodies and a certain yank Trade Magazine.

Oh and how Was it that german stars fared in the US? Think Schulz against Foreman or Sturm against DLH. Normally a challenger comes to the champion. Jones just didnt care as the fat HBO paychecks kept on coming regardless of the standard of opponents.

bro...I remember you from east side boxing

Jones didn't want to get screwed in Germany like he did in the Olympics

Jones was the bigger star, more globally known, more accomplished and more talented

Lets not act like DM wasn't making good coin in Germany fighting no names and some common opponents with Jones

He was no where near Jones' class.

DM was a helluva a fighter but the only shot he had vs Jones was a punchers chance and he was no one shot puncher....he broke you down, only had average speed, his power was good, was pretty accurate but he could be cut, swollen, and wasn't the hardest to hit, lacked head movement

[therealpugilist]

The decline was in 2002 from my memory. His first fight against Hall was in Dec 2001 and he still pretty much looked as good as ever but by the second fight at the end of 2002 he looked like he'd lost sharpness and likewise against Harmon in 2003 he didn't look like he was, but he still managed to stop them.

after that 2nd hall fight I knew he'd never fight Jones

[Elotero]

bro...Cotto was hitting him at will and making him look foolish, so did an old mosley

you really think margarita was a threat? Ok he was bigger but he fought like he was 5'6"....no head movement, and slow as molasses....didn't use his jab


Margarito was tailor made for Mayweather who often did exceptional vs taller fighters

Margarito brough nothing to the table besides height and size, skillwise he was not there

also it upsets me how people belittle Jose Luis Castillo....he was far more skilled than Margarito....he had more punch variety, better defense, counterpunching, etc...they have nothing in common besides being Mexican and being pressure fighters.....they applied their pressure different and JLC was flat out a higher caliber fighter


Margarito looked average everytime he fought a top fighter....Arum did a good job promoting him but I could see past the hype

I wasnt really mentioning anything about Marg beating Mayweather though.

Daniel Santos pulled some hometown BS. Marg rocks him pretty badly a few times. SOmebody gets cut, fight gets stopped, fight is in PR. Goes to the cards and what do ya know - Daniel Santos narrowly escapes via hometown robbery.

[!! Shawn]

after that 2nd hall fight I knew he'd never fight Jones

I knew hed never fight Jones when I realized he fight in germany....

Sven Ottke lost what 3-4 fights but still remained undefeated?

[BattlingNelson]

bro...I remember you from east side boxing
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Really? Whats your handle there?

Jones didn't want to get screwed in Germany like he did in the Olympics

So he gets a pass from you then?

Jones was the bigger star, more globally known, more accomplished and more talented

Lets not act like DM wasn't making good coin in Germany fighting no names and some common opponents with Jones

He Got good money. Not exorbitant money as Jones did from HBO thats right, but still good.

He was no where near Jones' class.

Aahhhh. Opinions. Everybody has them.

DM was a helluva a fighter but the only shot he had vs Jones was a punchers chance and he was no one shot puncher....he broke you down, only had average speed, his power was good, was pretty accurate but he could be cut, swollen, and wasn't the hardest to hit, lacked head movement

DM Was a pressure fighter and he had power. Jones didnt like that at all. DM would have been the Best fighter Jones could fight at lhw.

[therealpugilist]

Really? Whats your handle there?

So he gets a pass from you then?

He Got good money. Not exorbitant money as Jones did from HBO thats right, but still good.

Aahhhh. Opinions. Everybody has them.

DM Was a pressure fighter and he had power. Jones didnt like that at all. DM would have been the Best fighter Jones could fight at lhw.

didn't like what? pressure?


I used to post there....think my name was pugilistspecialist....That forum was a lot better than this one is.....many knowledgeable guys.....if I remember correctly, you and I had many a debate about this years ago

plenty of guys rushed Jones only to get clipped with something they didn't see and be kept honest with the accuracy and element of surprise


I agree he may have been his best opponent at 175, doesn't mean he had a great chance to win....he was too easy to hit

[robertzimmerman]

I think Jones would have done the typical 9-3, 8-4 type clear win....DM is pretty predictable in his punch selection and he depends on a jab

Jones slaughters guys who depended on a good jab like Reggie Johnson and Virgil Hill

Jones had sick counters and enough pop to hurt him, at 175 he was happy to cruise to a UD12

That's how I think it would have gone down.

[BattlingNelson]

didn't like what? pressure?


I used to post there....think my name was pugilistspecialist....That forum was a lot better than this one is.....many knowledgeable guys.....if I remember correctly, you and I had many a debate about this years ago

plenty of guys rushed Jones only to get clipped with something they didn't see and be kept honest with the accuracy and element of surprise


I agree he may have been his best opponent at 175, doesn't mean he had a great chance to win....he was too easy to hit

I never posted that much on esb. I have always preferred this place, even though I am pretty fed up with nsb. Its too repetitive and most people here does not use the forum to get wiser or a perspective that they havent thought of before. They use it to get an argument. Its really not that Interesting to me. I remember having a few excellent debates on the dm-Jones history on esb. There Was a couple of posters who knew a lot and could debate and be civil. That Was pretty good. You Might have been one of them. I mostly remember a guy called loudon. He Was pretty cool to disagree with.

I also Think that Jones would win. What I dont Think is that it would be as easy as most people think. Its a knee-jerk reaction for them to say so when its Jones we are dealing with. Hell most posters have never even seen DM fight so its hard to take it serious. What I always like to point out in these threads is that Jones Was never the man who beat the man and that he should not get a pass for not going to Germany based on him being robbed in Seoul.

[robertzimmerman]

Yeah Roy did beat him better but Michalczewski did beat him twice. In the second fight I think you can see that Michalczewski was in sharp decline as a figher due to age and injuries.

Yeah, he seemed to age pretty quickly towards the end.

[robertzimmerman]

DM Was also the champion. Jones just didnt want to beat the man. He just wanted trinkets which Was handel to him by brasede governing bodies and a certain yank Trade Magazine.

Oh and how Was it that german stars fared in the US? Think Schulz against Foreman or Sturm against DLH. Normally a challenger comes to the champion. Jones just didnt care as the fat HBO paychecks kept on coming regardless of the standard of opponents.

That's not true.

Not wanting to go to Germany and not wanting to fight Dariusz are 2 completely different things.

Did Roy not fight guys who were either at or above Dariusz's level?

Did Roy not pursue fighters who were either at or above Dariusz's level?

Roy didn't have to fear Dariusz as a fighter.

What he had to fear was an Ottke type robbery or Dariusz's antics like what was on show in the first Roch fight.

How were the trinkets handed to him?